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I'm sick of being the new guy, now i'm the injured new guy

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by RAQ, Jun 26, 2008.

  1. RAQ White Belt

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    I'ts really starting to piss me off that the guys in my gym just fucking go all out, but when one of these dickheads today just run into me full speed into my chest knocking me back I was like WTF!??! Then I get up and have this huge pain in my side dickhead looks at me and says "whats up you tapping?" I was like wtf, are you serious dickhead? wtf was that all about you inbred fucking hick??? Before that I was already not going hard with him myself, I was just trying to hold guard, pass his guard etc but he was going all out trying to get the tap spazzing out and shit jumping on top of me with all his weight etc.

    anyways i've popped 2 vicodin at 8pm and still hasn't dulled the pain at all.

    I really like bjj, only been doing it a week and there are a couple guys that actually don't try to fuck the new guy up and will work technique and stuff like that, but then there are the idiots that just go 150% and bumrush trying to get the tap as quick and hard as possible even though they've been there a long time and know I don't know shit.
     
  2. Gabicho Brown Belt

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    Well, if they go all out and you're just starting, they suck. They should go harder progressively, as you start getting a hold of the basics.
    Tooling new guys is the best way to make them leave the gym...
     
  3. sprite Banned Banned

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    not to sound like a dick or anything but i predict that you won't last long in bjj
     
  4. Drew259 Orange Belt

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    sounds like a shitty school. you've been there a week and guys are going a 100% on you? Where in California are you? Go watch at another school and see what type of attitude they promote.
     
  5. IChinaManI Green Belt

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    your gym sounds like bullshit, fuck that school.
     
  6. Rowan11088 Purple Belt

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    Uh, as I remember, your last thread consisted of you subtly bragging about how many taps you got your 3rd day. The way it sounds to me, especially the way you write, is that you're just an annoying prick in class, and the advanced guys are getting sick of it and want to humble you. Let them.
     
  7. A_bomb47 Wha happan to you Sherdog?

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    Seriously this guy is talking about muscling his subs in and muscling out of sub attempts from his training partners, talking about getting taps in practice and now whines about being the new guy and getting hurt...
     
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    They've been going all out since day 1 on me. I'm not a spaz but when they flip out and go full on with me what am I supposed to do? There are a handful of guys that do this, and it's the same guys that do it.

    I notice these same guys sparring with other guys their level they get tapped every time.

    The guys I'm tapping out I'm using what I learn, I'll sit there and think of how to pass, what to do, I don't just go full on all out crazy and shit. I mean I could but WTF? I wouldn't learn anything if I did that.

    And no, I'm not an annoying prick, I am the most humble person in the entire class, especially with the really good guys that tap out the dickheads that go all out on me for fucks sake. I'll always thank them and ask them what I did wrong.

    Like I said, it's just a handful of dickheads, I'm injured but I'm not going to quit, I'm just not going to roll with the idiots because they don't do anything to help me progress, YET.

    I even overheard 1 of the kids in my class talking shit about how good he is blah blah how he just submits people in his rubber guard no problems and all this other trash talk. His mistake also is that he also states he's just there to tap people out, not to get tapped. The kid is good, he's been there 11 months and is one of the better people in the beginner class but it's that type of mentality that they have. I tapped him once this week and he hasn't been able to tap me or dominate me like he did last week. He's also a prick when we are rolling, I've asked him before last week when he was tapping me out what I could do etc after class he said "Ask the coach"

    I don't care about getting tapped out, I don't think I would learn anything if I didn't, because I will replay and visualize the whole thing in my head later on and try to figure out what I did wrong, etc etc. But jeez, don't freakin go all out like this is life or death and it's a street fight or something!

    Anyways I'm just going to sit out next time the coach tells me to roll with some asshole.
     
  9. RAQ White Belt

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    Yes, muscling as in being able to yank my arm when they are trying to trap it or when they get an underhook or when they grab my wrist or when they yank my head down, as soon as ANYTHING is in place, armbar, fig 4, rev 4 whatever I'm tapping before it even gets locked hard if I know they have it. I don't try to muscle out of a submission.

    And yes I've been able to get taps but not muscling my way into taps, I'm getting them in transition or if they leave their arm out etc. What exactly is wrong with that or am I not supposed to throw on a kimora if i have side control and they leave their arm out or if I'm able to scramble get someone's back and RNC them? I should just not do anything?
     
  10. A_bomb47 Wha happan to you Sherdog?

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    Ofcourse you should work for submissions and get a tap if you got it in properly. But you said in your own words that you were muscling your subs in and that could piss people off.

     
  11. RAQ White Belt

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    As far as pissing people off, the idiot guys that are going all out on me have no reason to be pissed, I don't know why they are going 100% on me because I can't even stop them from passing my guard! These are the advanced guys that could go 20% on me and still beat me, so for them to just go all out on me is just plain stupid. I don't even get close to trying anything on them, I'm defending the entire time I'm rolling with them.

    Well I'm new to all the wording and stuff as well but trying to learn as fast as I can.

    When I said muscling into a sub I was talking about being able to be strong enough to hold their arm down or pull their arm to where it needed to be while i was in side mount to sink in a kimora. I wouldn't call what I did those days muscling into them anymore, my descriptions where just off being a n00b.

    And again when I said muscling out of everything the first couple minutes I was talking about being able to yank my wrist/hand/head out of traps or grabs, not submissions or locks.

    When I was able to transition to that guys back on day one and sink in a RNC I was super excited about it, and same when I was able to pass a couple peoples guards and get stuff in after that.

    I guess my excitement about everything maybe comes off as being un humble here? It's not, I am just really excited and can't wait to learn more and more and more.

    I've been going to class every day 3 hours a day and then coming home and watching as many video's and taking notes and notes and more notes as I can make time for.
     
  12. shut up and train... you have been doing this for a week and you complain this much already...
     
  13. Acexwanderer Blue Belt

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    How can a guy be good when he brags about doing rubber guard and only tapping people when he gets tapped out by a guy that trains for a week?
     
  14. Reveen Purple Belt

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    I find that hard to believe.
     
  15. Mohawk79 Orange Belt

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    Yeah dude, I'm with you. RAQ, you're constantly contradicting yourself so no one here is really going to be able to help you when you bitch about one thing, and then find out you are guilty of the same thing. If you got a bunch of dudes whipping your ass on a daily basis and being tough on you, then it does sound like they are trying to teach you a lesson but it ain't sinking in. You haven't been doing this long, so stop trying so hard, cut the lace off your panties and just have fun for once, instead of worrying about who is tapping who and how often.
     
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    the guys aren't going all out, you just can't handle being beaten by bigger, stronger, or perhaps BETTER?? players.
     
  17. Reddbull Purple Belt

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    Yeah...some of us have real problems...like I just got done with my second class and they haven't even taught me the gogoplata yet.....bastards...they're obviously not teaching me cuz I'm the new guy and they don't want me using it on them...
     
  18. Will_N.O. Orange Belt

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    RAQ, from one noob to another, can I suggest a couple of things to think about?

    1) For a beginner, how many taps you get / give up is not really a good indicator of progress. The truth is that as a really new guy going against guys that have been training for many months / years...it is pretty much their decision how much you get taps / get tapped. If one night a guy feels like bringing it and works you for a tap every 3 minuts and the next night he's taking it easy and letting you work stuff, it doesn't mean you got a lot better overnight...it means he's trying to help you work different parts of your game, defense one night, offense the next. Try to focus less on taps as a barometer of your progress.

    2) Try not to focus on how you "do" in practice or who is "winning" practice rolls. As a noob, it can be pretty difficult to tell when a skilled player is giving you something vs. when you are getting it. Even after 3 months, sometimes I have to ask after a roll if I got it or they let me have it. A lot of times when you are rolling with a more skilled player, they may e.g., let you pass their guard if you execute the pass more or less technically correct. This doesn't necessarily mean your guard passing got a lot better, it may mean they want to let you work on your side control a bit.

    3) It's good to have a mix of guys where some go pretty hard most of the time and others are more laid back. Diversity in styles of rolling partners is a big plus, there are other guys on this board who would love to have that kind of diverse pool to roll with. Try to appreciate the benefits of that.

    Ultimately, we're not in your class so we don't know what's going on. If you are being cool and leaving your ego at the door but experienced guys are still blowing up on you and injuring you, and the instructor is letting that happen, that is not appropriate and you should consider another gym. But if you're at a reputable gym, maybe these ideas will give you a different lens to help you get a more positive view on your experience.
     
  19. RAQ White Belt

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    Thank you very much.
     
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    I get beaten all day long. I don't have a problem rolling hard and getting beaten, that's what's supposed to be happening. But I can tell the difference between the guys that are using just enough and the morons that are blowing up and going all out like it's a street fight.

    Why the fuck would you just run full speed at and into someone and t-bone the fuck out of them????
     

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