illegal grips in Judo

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Primarily for standing but any and all would be good too.

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Gripping the inside of a sleeve/hem is illegal, as are pistolgrips. Standing you can't grip the belt for more than five seconds or so before you have to go for a throw (that's enough anyway) or the ref calls matte. The same goes for gripping the same lapel with both hands and gripping the pants.

Someone will surely ask "why all these rules?". Well, forbidding the pistolgrip on the ground I've never quite understood, but all the other rules exist to keep the action going and to prevent injuries.
 
Yozigi said:
Gripping the inside of a sleeve/hem is illegal, as are pistolgrips. Standing you can't grip the belt for more than five seconds or so before you have to go for a throw (that's enough anyway) or the ref calls matte. The same goes for gripping the same lapel with both hands and gripping the pants.

Someone will surely ask "why all these rules?". Well, forbidding the pistolgrip on the ground I've never quite understood, but all the other rules exist to keep the action going and to prevent injuries.
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I don't think you're allowed to pistol grip or cat's paw because it makes it too easy to stall.
 
thanks for the input so far guys. So fromstanding a 2 on one grip si legal?

Also i played ith a variation of the sleeve grip last week and instead of being "outside" I snaked inside out, this is legal too?

I am so new to this that I dont want to develop any more bad habits than I already have.
 
Also, you can't do a takedown which causes your opponent to intentionally fall on all fours. So Russian Drags are not allowed, AFAIK (which is sad for me, the Russian drag is one of my favorite takedowns). Neither is a joint lock from standing, so shihonage is out too AFAIK.
 
Frodo said:
Also, you can't do a takedown which causes your opponent to intentionally fall on all fours. So Russian Drags are not allowed, AFAIK (which is sad for me, the Russian drag is one of my favorite takedowns). Neither is a joint lock from standing, so shihonage is out too AFAIK.
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hmmm intersting. Although I too prefer a drag from the 2on1 I think foot sweeps and some other leg techniques can work from that type of grip. Not to mention your opponent will try like hell to not allow you behind him from there which "might" open up sweeps or throws to the other side.
So that grip in and of itself is legal.
 
Cross grips are illegal if you don't attack withing around 5 seconds and same with grabbing the pant leg.
 
I have heard you cant take a grip on the same side (sleeve and collar on the same side even) for more than 5 seconds.
 
Frodo said:
Also, you can't do a takedown which causes your opponent to intentionally fall on all fours. So Russian Drags are not allowed, AFAIK (which is sad for me, the Russian drag is one of my favorite takedowns). Neither is a joint lock from standing, so shihonage is out too AFAIK.
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Jointlocks standing are fully legal. If one wishes to do waki-gatame standing Aoki-style, no problem. The thing is, the effect of the technique has to be IMMEDIATE with also giving the opponent enough time to tap. It's also fully legal to drag the opponent down to the mat with a flying armbar if the arm is being totally controlled and the tap on't be forced until both competitors are on the mat. Been there, done that.
 
"It's also fully legal to drag the opponent down to the mat with a flying armbar if the arm is being totally controlled and the tap on't be forced until both competitors are on the mat."

Not all refs know that. I've had improper shido's called against me for that. (Technically they should have been hansokumakes if their calls were correct.) Most of the time it is due to bad refereeing.
 
Almost no grips are actually illegal, but many are only permitted for a certain time IF you are not attacking. If youve got a grip that you actually plan on using and not just stalling you should be fine.
Skillfull entry into newaza is also permitted. This is a bit of a grey area though as it depends what you classify as "skillfull".
 
So many of the ref's at the local and state tournements in my area need to re-study the rules, or at least be consistantly bad. I hate getting called for a pistol grip by a ref, only to see him not call it the next match, then call it the match after that and so on.....
 
Frodo said:
IDK. It is legal in Sambo and BJJ.
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id like to know what exactly you mean by the pistol grip being illegal in bjj... i have only been training a year (2-3x per week) but i have never heard any mention of an illegal grip from any position in bjj...
 
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