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Ignorance of Science in the United States

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by Dayman1984, Dec 26, 2016.

  1. Dayman1984 Purple Belt Platinum Member

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-foods-containing-dna/?utm_term=.8c559ffc5747

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...taining-dna/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.0cca552277d4

    So, according to a survey carried out by Oklahoma State University http://agecon.okstate.edu/faculty/publications/4975.pdf

    80 % of Americans support food with DNA being labeled. In case you are also completely ignorant about science, I'll explain to you why this is absurd: almost all food has DNA. Your cereal has wheat/oat/rice DNA, your cucumber has DNA that makes it a cucumber and not a carrot, your steak has cow DNA.

    Although the respondents consisted of 1,000 people designed to match US demographics, I'm convinced that an even larger study would demonstrate a widespread lack of knowledge about even basic science information. It demonstrates that people often form strong opinions on things like GMO's without even a semblance of rudimentary knowledge about them. In case you don't trust the Washington Post or think it's "fake news" or whatever, I posted the original study PDF. It's really fucking depressing me that this is the state of science knowledge in the US.
     
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    That's nothing you should see the the fuss when you talk about irradiation of foods. The health benefits (food poisoning prevention ) storage ease and reduction in waste would be huge. However people for the most part as so uneducated on nuclear fundamentals that the word radiation makes them pee their pants when they have no understanding of it.
     
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    People not educated in the sciences form their opinions (especially food and medicine) on the track record of science and it's corporate message. Eggs are bad. No, eggs are good. Milk is bad. No, milk is good. Saccharin is good. No, saccharin gives you fucking cancer. Breast feeding is bad, formula is good. No, your kid is a retard with no immune system.......
    The list goes on and on and nutritional and medical science are still up to their same old shit. Just take a look at how many class action law suits are out there on MODERN medications that end up killing or maiming people in the (slightly) long run.
    People have learned that fucking with nature, more often than not, ends up bad.
     
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    Oh yes, our life expectancy almost doubling in the past 150 years is such a terrible record for the medical community. And the 10's of thousands of crippling defects from polio this last decade were such a huge problem as well... oh wait... that never happened because modern medicine developed a vaccine! How dare our scientists fuck with nature and develop medicine...
     
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    Holy shit. Shoot the messenger. I was merely relating to, and relaying a point of view there Tesla Jr. I didn't realize you were advocating a point of view.
    However, while you bring up good points, I guess you were triggered because you couldn't argue the points I posted. No biggie, just shows that everyone and everything wins sometimes and loses sometimes.
    BTW, could it be quantified, some of the pro-science points you mentioned could possibly be, at least partially credited to engineering. ie: clean water, effective sanitation and clean food.
     
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    Well, what is wrong with labeling it if has a GMO??? What is wrong with the truth? (GMO shit was in your article)

    The people going on about GMOs are the same people who think an unborn baby is not alive, a man with his dick and nuts cut off is a woman, and that men should be able to take a shit with a 4 year old girl if he wears a dress.
    On the list of IGNORANCE OF SCIENCE, I'd say this is way down the list.
     
  7. lilelvis Red Belt Platinum Member

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    Oh yeah, you should probably look in to how life expectancy rates are calculated. It's almost always "average" and hinges on infant mortality rates. If you compare the people who survived passed 2 years or so, the life expectancy hasn't changed very drastically.
     
  8. OverCoronavirus Pressure Mayberry = War Room, WR = OT. Shit. Banned

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    Unfortunately, OP, I'm afraid you're correct, and a larger study would likely show similar results.
    But many of us would fail if asked about certain things.
    I can describe in detail what happens when a star like our Sun begins to die, but I can only vaguely describe the way the internal combustion engine works.
     
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    pINK SLIME SOO DELICIOUS.
     
  10. Voodoo_Child906 Red Belt

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    Engineering is the application of scientific knowledge to the design processes, so modern science is responsible for how our society has progressed. Of course there are always going to be issues with data, testing procedures and real debates within the scientific community are occurring. That does not mean that laymen who have absolutely no training or familiarity with the data should be taken seriously with their opinions. Everybody has the right to their opinion but depending on the subject some opinions are much more valid than others.

    "Fucking with nature"... LOL We've been fucking with mother nature for thousands of years!
     
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    You must mean yours.
     
  12. Voodoo_Child906 Red Belt

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    I'd say the scientific consensus on the topic has the most valid opinion on the topic. They could also be wrong and if they are, the consensus will change with new data.
     
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    Right on.
     
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    I'm convinced that you are anti-American.
     
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    I don't think you'd get vastly different outcomes in the U.K. or France.
     
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    My aversion to GMO foods has nothing to do with safety or lack thereof of the foods. I know them to be of edible quality. My issue with GMO foods is the potential for Crop extinction events. Since the crops have mostly the same dna, they can all be afflicted with the same disease. And get wiped out. Here are some links to show you what I am talking about.

    http://panamadisease.org

    http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/eats/world-banana-crop-extinct-decades-article-1.2452540
    http://gmo-journal.com/2011/06/17/loss-of-biodiversity-and-genetically-modified-crops/

    Essentially, my beef with GMO is the risk of whole crops and species going extinct due to lack of biodiversity. It could happen with wheat, or beans or rice just like it did with Banana's.
     
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    fucking inbreeders
     
  18. Dayman1984 Purple Belt Platinum Member

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    That's a very legitimate concern. Thanks for the links.
     
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    You sound like a SJW who read a few wiki articles and got triggered by how traditional majority of people are.

    That's because they are actually smart and risk averse in a sense, and you are stupid.

    What their concern is? They are concerned about genetically modified plants and critters they eat. You see, eating traditional food has proven to be safe for freaking centuries. Genetically modified food? Not so much.

    I agree, there were some researches that have shown genetically modified foods to be safe TO SOME EXTENT. In order to be sure though there should be longitude researches, but noone can afford them.

    So there will always until we die be a certain degree of doubt on genetically modified food. And it would be really hard or nearly impossible to prove that it is as safe as natural.

    So this "residual risk" still exists and you are being dumb for ignoring it and calling people science denialists for being risk averse.
     

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