If you had the power to prevent the creation of Israel (1948), would you?

[Leroy Jenkins]

Just wondering sherbros....Would you prevent the creation of Israel?


Or would you let it be exactly as it is right now?

 

[Exi]

and here we go gif

"Just wondering" he says.

Spoiler

 

[panamaican]

 

[HomerThompson]

Yes. There would only be a Palestine. We'd all be a lot better off too.

 

[Islam Imamate]

No. Jews were already there in fairly large numbers and were already building a society of their own. Preventing the creation of the state of Israel would've meant they would remained a stateless people unable to realize their own self determination in lands dominated by authoritarian regimes. I do think there would've been a lot less animosity towards the Jews since a lot of it seems to stem from the creation of Israel and some of its action as a state but I bet the Jews would rather be hated and have a state than perhaps be tolerated but ultimately vulnerable to flares ups in anti-Semitic violence like they were in Western Europe.

The region needs more states centered around a cohesive identity like the Jews have and not less. So I would definitely create Israel. I would also have created Kurdistan as well.

 

[TheBlondBomber]

I would have moved it to South America.

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

The Middle East would still be a fucked up shit hole, so why would it matter either way?

 

[Islam Imamate]

Yes. There would only be a Palestine. We'd all be a lot better off too.

How? The Jews were already in Palestine and were promised a homeland three decades before Israel was created, do you think they would've simply given up on that dream? It could've lead to a Palestinian civil war between the Ashkenazi Jews and the native Palestinians.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

yes, absolutely. they are way too ballsy IMO, largely b/c of us and the UK's backing

also, I feel like the ME arab countries would hate us perhaps a SMIDGE less if we didn't back Israel

 

[ripskater]

No. Isreal is the one place you could go and visit. Everything else is led by Islam over in the middle east

 

[HunterSdVa29]

No. Isreal is the one place you could go and visit. Everything else is led by Islam over in the middle east

not stopping the World Cup from going to Qatar....

wtf were they thinking? well bribes, clearly

 

[HomerThompson]

How? The Jews were already in Palestine and were promised a homeland three decades before Israel was created, do you think they would've simply given up on that dream? It could've lead to a Palestinian civil war between the Ashkenazi Jews and the native Palestinians.

The Jewish people had no claim to that land and it's been nothing but bloodshed and conflict since. We could have easily absorbed everyone who wanted to come into the US. No Arab-Israeli wars, no apartheid state, significantly less international terrorism, and hundreds of thousands(certainly tens of thousands) of saved lives over 68 years.

 

[Leroy Jenkins]

No. Jews were already there in fairly large numbers and were already building a society of their own. Preventing the creation of the state of Israel would've meant they would remained a stateless people unable to realize their own self determination in lands dominated by authoritarian regimes. I do think there would've been a lot less animosity towards the Jews since a lot of it seems to stem from the creation of Israel and some of its action as a state but I bet the Jews would rather be hated and have a state than perhaps be tolerated but ultimately vulnerable to flares ups in anti-Semitic violence like they were in Western Europe.

The region needs more states centered around a cohesive identity like the Jews have and not less. So I would definitely create Israel. I would also have created Kurdistan as well.

Im not Jew expert...but do the Jews really think that Israel is for them? Like I understand if there were jews living in that place and they wanted a state for themselves after Britain since I guess Arabs/Palestinians didn't like eachother but do all jews really think of themselves that collectively?

Also wouldn't the best scenario be for both jews/arabs to create a secular government instead of obvious bias governments which both have....It will probably be impossible because of their religion pride mentalities tho

 

[Islam Imamate]

yes, absolutely. they are way too ballsy IMO, largely b/c of us and the UK's backing

I'm not a fan of the rabid support of Israel by the US but that doesn't mean Israel shouldn't have ever been created. It could've been created and just backed less.

also, I feel like the ME arab countries would hate us perhaps a SMIDGE less if we didn't back Israel

They would've still hated us because a lot of the fuckery the US did in the Middle East was because of the Cold War and that was going to happen with or without Israel.

No. Isreal is the one place you could go and visit. Everything else is led by Islam over in the middle east

Turkey, Tunisia, and and Egypt were all tourist hot spots before 2011. Honestly even today I'd rather go to Turkey for a vacation than Israel.

The Jewish people had no claim to that land and it's been nothing but bloodshed and conflict since.

They did have a claim to the land. They bought it and had been doing so for decades. They were building their society from the ground up well before the Second World War

We could have easily absorbed everyone who wanted to come into the US.

Many of them didn't want to come to the US, they wanted their own state and they did the leg work to get it.

No Arab-Israeli wars, no apartheid state, significantly less international terrorism, and hundreds of thousands(certainly tens of thousands) of saved lives over 68 years.

The Arab-Israeli wars happened because the shit tier Arab regimes had to posture to establish their legitimacy and Israel was the easy target. Without an Israel they could've easily turned on each other. Syria could've used claims to a Greater Syria to justify expansion into its neighbors. Nasser's Pan-Arabism might've meant more aggressive expansion on his part(As is he committed forces to Yemen in that country's civil war).

As far as international terrorism, I don't agree. The mess we have know is directly related to US interests in the region during the Cold War. Those interests and incentives would've remained.

 

[EmpireShallFall]

Well fucking yes I would. Those zionists are fucking evil parasites.

 

[Based and White Pilled]

Yes, I would have stopped it.

No. Jews were already there in fairly large numbers and were already building a society of their own. Preventing the creation of the state of Israel would've meant they would remained a stateless people unable to realize their own self determination in lands dominated by authoritarian regimes. I do think there would've been a lot less animosity towards the Jews since a lot of it seems to stem from the creation of Israel and some of its action as a state but I bet the Jews would rather be hated and have a state than perhaps be tolerated but ultimately vulnerable to flares ups in anti-Semitic violence like they were in Western Europe.

The region needs more states centered around a cohesive identity like the Jews have and not less. So I would definitely create Israel. I would also have created Kurdistan as well.

How is that scenario any worse than what has been going on over there since the creation of Israel?

No. Isreal is the one place you could go and visit. Everything else is led by Islam over in the middle east

You can safely visit Qatar, Oman, or the UAE (and probably more) right now. Abu Dhabi and Dubai are pretty big destinations for American sailors to go party and do touristy shit on port calls. You dumb.

Im not Jew expert...but do the Jews really think that Israel is for them? Like I understand if there were jews living in that place and they wanted a state for themselves after Britain since I guess Arabs/Palestinians didn't like eachother but do all jews really think of themselves that collectively?

Yes, they absolutely do. Jews born outside of Israel are automatically granted dual citizenship and if I'm not mistaken it is the only second citizenship that the US government recognizes.

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

I would have moved it to South America.

Lol, fuck you.


No, it's better to have jews up there than here. Plus they kill muslims, it's a win-win. If you hate jews, it's actually better to have them all together in one small piece of land, a couple of nukes could end them once and for all.

 

[Rod1]

Stop it how? as in just make the arabs win and commit genocide against the jews?

Then no, I wouldn't stop it, I would rather stop the six day war so that Israel doesn't gets to "occupy" the west bank.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

No. Jews were already there in fairly large numbers and were already building a society of their own. Preventing the creation of the state of Israel would've meant they would remained a stateless people unable to realize their own self determination in lands dominated by authoritarian regimes. I do think there would've been a lot less animosity towards the Jews since a lot of it seems to stem from the creation of Israel and some of its action as a state but I bet the Jews would rather be hated and have a state than perhaps be tolerated but ultimately vulnerable to flares ups in anti-Semitic violence like they were in Western Europe.

The region needs more states centered around a cohesive identity like the Jews have and not less. So I would definitely create Israel. I would also have created Kurdistan as well.

you mean because the genocide attempt before that, the reluctance of most states not stepping in sooner, as well as the refusal to take in jewish refugees in most of the western countries wasnt enough animosity?

 

[Exi]

Lol, fuck you.


No, it's better to have jews up there than here. Plus they kill muslims, it's a win-win. If you hate jews, it's actually better to have them all together in one small piece of land, a couple of nukes could end them once and for all.