If weight matters that much than why don't all Heavyweights make weight at 265???

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  1. Glnick

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    UFC 166 is coming up the 2 heavyweights Cain and Junior probably the best in the HW division are facing each other ,both of them weigh in around 240,but why these guys don't choose to weigh 265 for the weigh in day and probably come 275-280 in the fight day if weight is that important?
     
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    Heavyweights are less skilled.
     
  3. Glnick

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    So that's the reason I guess they are all fat street fighters
     
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    Bigfoot weighs in around 265 and Cain beat him twice.

    And this:

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    There is a definite decline in speed and athleticism in general when fighters are that big. There have been a few exceptions like Brock but generally when guys are that big speed and cardio become a problem, and they end up losing to guys around 240.
     
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    Because being skilled with less size beats being big with less skill. Being larger and talented is why there are weight divisions.

    But seriously, neither would benefit from being larger. It just doesn't work with their skillsets.
     
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    size means nothing
     
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    JDS and Cain aren't really at a strength disadvantage, plus they are faster than some LHWs.

    Frightening combination for any lumbering fatties.
     
  11. OmegaRugal

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    Diminishing returns.

    The bigger the human body gets ... you start to sacrifice speed and agility.

    The best athletes in the world that can maintain speed and power at a high weight normally go to a sport where they get paid more (ie Football, Baseball).

    Brock was one of the rare exceptions of a 265lb man that can move that fast in the UFC.

    Fedor, Cain, JDS, ... these heavyweights have almost as much power in their striking as any 265lb HW ... while also being far far faster.

    Size matters ... but like with everything ... its not a simple black/white thing. There are shades of grey and other variables that matter.
     
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    This isnt true.

    It's just different in the heavyweight division. Outside of cain, they have smaller gas tanks so they have to conserve energy. They have to fight in bursts and can't always do what the smaller guys can but it has nothing to do with skill. It's just physical limitations.

    It's like how the smaller guys are physically limited when it comes to power.
     
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    no real big framed heavyweights in UFC and i'm not talking about bulked guys like reem ,im talking about Bigfoot type size.
     
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    You could take it far further than that, how did Edgar and Pettis get the LW title when they're considerably smaller than other guys in that division, etc etc.

    Short answer, the bros who obsess over muscles aren't always right.
     
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    guys like dodson, joseph b, john moranga, and ali all have ko power
     
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    Outside of the top 4 or 5 guys, the talent level at HW is far worse. It falls straight off a cliff. You must be able to see that.
     
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    If your not an athletic freak like brock lesnar, anything north of 250 and your mass is too heavy to have the speed and agility to compete against top level fighters. Look at Cain. He gets around like a WW.

    Theres always the potential for brute strength overcompensating to a point (look how far it took Carwin) but in the long run, winners need mobility and agility to do the most effective techniques
     
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    Then why are so many LHW's scared to fight at HW?

    A ton of LHWs are around 240lbs naturally ... so what are they scared of if the HW division is so weak?
     
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    its not the size that matters but the motion of the ocean.......
     
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    Good question
    Lol
     

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