If USADA canceled JBJ-DC just to let JBJ off the hook they once again prove what a show this...

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..current testing system is.

I'm for random drug tests and for strict testing but the USADA system is a total mess in so many aspects.

1. It makes zero sense to have a list of banned substances and to cancel fights if somebody tests positive for those but also say 'hey there might be legit reasons to have them in your system, if you come up with a valid explanation and you can "prove" it, you're free again'.
It sounds fair but it doesn't work in reality. For some fighters, MMA has become a multi-million dollar business and with some effort this easily becomes a loophole. If tainted supplements really are such a problem, it's not impossible to just send a bunch of supplements to private labs and find an actually legitimately tainted supplement. That now works as a free card for whatever PED the supplement is tainted with.
There needs to be a different approach. Have a mandatory list of controlled and not-tainted supplements.
Make your list of banned substances less strictly but judge it in an absolute way. If there are legit reasons that somebody could have it in his system, don't ban it. If there aren't, punish him either way.

2. In other cases (Bork Laser) it's the other way around. They actually didn't cancel the fight but could have had the results earlier if they paid some extra money. Here they're suddenly doing the opposite and risk the health of a fighter for a couple of dollars. No consistency at all.

3. Don't punish people for what they say without actual evidence. Why are they stricter than an actual court of law? Fighters get banned for saying they took something without failing a test. If I walk into a police station and confess to a crime but there is not only zero evidence that this crime happened at all, they even have a test which usually determines if I committed the crime and I pass this test, I'm typically not going to jail for 4 years. Yes it's important to clean the sport but we're talking about MMA and a bunch of athletes where some fight for 10/10 for god's sake, it's not a matter of national security or something...

tl;dr I think USADA has to go or significantly change their system
 
it will get worst before it get better.
 
They will do exactly that and I have been saying this since he 'popped'.

You fucking goofs need to listen to me more.

The supplement industry is a shitshow. Stick all your fucking guarantees and independent testing you want on the box, samples get contaminated because there is no regulation.
 
Thats cute how you think Jon Jones is a victim
 
God people on sherdog are stupid as fuck
 
I'm on board with this.

I'm all for strict testing, but you can't be cancelling fucking mega shows only to turn around and say "err, n/m carry on Jon".

If Jon is clean and this isn't at all shady, great and I'm sorry for him, but USADA takes a huge hit in credibility. If there is some shadiness going on, than I hope it was enough to make it worth the credibility hit to USADA.
 
It's all bullshit. USADA sucks, the USADA era sucks. Drug testing should be left to the commissions for fucks sake.
 
they had to wait to see if the check would get canceled or returned though...
 
In b4 "everyone's on PEDS, let them PED"
 
..current testing system is.

I'm for random drug tests and for strict testing but the USADA system is a total mess in so many aspects.

1. It makes zero sense to have a list of banned substances and to cancel fights if somebody tests positive for those but also say 'hey there might be legit reasons to have them in your system, if you come up with a valid explanation and you can "prove" it, you're free again'.
It sounds fair but it doesn't work in reality. For some fighters, MMA has become a multi-million dollar business and with some effort this easily becomes a loophole. If tainted supplements really are such a problem, it's not impossible to just send a bunch of supplements to private labs and find an actually legitimately tainted supplement. That now works as a free card for whatever PED the supplement is tainted with.
There needs to be a different approach. Have a mandatory list of controlled and not-tainted supplements.
Make your list of banned substances less strictly but judge it in an absolute way. If there are legit reasons that somebody could have it in his system, don't ban it. If there aren't, punish him either way.

2. In other cases (Bork Laser) it's the other way around. They actually didn't cancel the fight but could have had the results earlier if they paid some extra money. Here they're suddenly doing the opposite and risk the health of a fighter for a couple of dollars. No consistency at all.

3. Don't punish people for what they say without actual evidence. Why are they stricter than an actual court of law? Fighters get banned for saying they took something without failing a test. If I walk into a police station and confess to a crime but there is not only zero evidence that this crime happened at all, they even have a test which usually determines if I committed the crime and I pass this test, I'm typically not going to jail for 4 years. Yes it's important to clean the sport but we're talking about MMA and a bunch of athletes where some fight for 10/10 for god's sake, it's not a matter of national security or something...

tl;dr I think USADA has to go or significantly change their system
1. There is a list of known good supplements people can take
2. I could be wrong, but I don't think the Jon Jones sample A was rushed.
3. There is no right to fight in the UFC and these guys sign agreements that say they will adhere to the USADA standards. You have a right to a fair trail in the court of law.
 
Jones is still guilty. Dont believe what the proven liar and moron Dana White and Jones say. White himself even admitted hes speaking out his ass and doesnt know the details. And Jones is just seeing rainbows again.
 
I'm on board with this.

I'm all for strict testing, but you can't be cancelling fucking mega shows only to turn around and say "err, n/m carry on Jon".

If Jon is clean and this isn't at all shady, great and I'm sorry for him, but USADA takes a huge hit in credibility. If there is some shadiness going on, than I hope it was enough to make it worth the credibility hit to USADA.

USADA didn't say the fucked up. Dana just said "I don't think Jones took what people think he took" and this forum has twisted it 1000 times so people now think USADA has said he didn't take anything lol.
 
1. There is a list of known good supplements people can take
2. I could be wrong, but I don't think the Jon Jones sample A was rushed.
3. There is no right to fight in the UFC and these guys sign agreements that say they will adhere to the USADA standards. You have a right to a fair trail in the court of law.
nope. USADA is the police, law and a court. Their shit is final
 
USADA didn't say the fucked up. Dana just said "I don't think Jones took what people think he took" and this forum has twisted it 1000 times so people now think USADA has said he didn't take anything lol.

Jon and Dana are both hinting he's coming back soon. I know there's nothing there yet, but if it turns out to be the case and we see him back sooner than a legit suspension would allow and USADA doesn't step up and defend themselves, then there's going to be some serious backlash.

I'm cool with events getting busted up for users getting caught, but screwing up events for false positives is not acceptable.
 
it will get worst before it get better.
Said Lorenzo Frittata who looks like the Hulk now. Let's see him pass a USADA test. And it can't get any worse than it is right now.
 
They will do exactly that and I have been saying this since he 'popped'.

You fucking goofs need to listen to me more.

The supplement industry is a shitshow. Stick all your fucking guarantees and independent testing you want on the box, samples get contaminated because there is no regulation.

USADA actually has a list of approved supplements you can get. Not that hard.

Said Lorenzo Frittata who looks like the Hulk now. Let's see him pass a USADA test. And it can't get any worse than it is right now.

Why does Lorezno have to pass shit? He is not in a sport competing. Good logic though.
 
nope. USADA is the police, law and a court. Their shit is final

Yes. I am saying we have a constitutional right to a fair trial for if someone were to go to a police station and confess to a crime as opposed to USADA where you are guilty upon a failed test. Which is as it should be.
 
Find a properly "tainted" supplement, take that supplement. Got popped? Blame that "tainted" supplement.

Rinse and repeat.
 
Jon and Dana are both hinting he's coming back soon. I know there's nothing there yet, but if it turns out to be the case and we see him back sooner than a legit suspension would allow and USADA doesn't step up and defend themselves, then there's going to be some serious backlash.

I'm cool with events getting busted up for users getting caught, but screwing up events for false positives is not acceptable.

Both his A and B sample came back positive. I highly doubt it's a false positive.
 
they had to wait to see if the check would get canceled or returned though...
Shit son you're talkin bout the baldfather here

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Besides that check = paper trail. In God we trust, all others cash.
 
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