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If the judges disagree on a round, should it be a 10-10 round?

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  1. randomalias

    randomalias Brown Belt

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    A comment was made on another thread:

    That last part is the key point. If a round is so close that the judges disagree on who won it, shouldn't that round be a 10-10?
     
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    Should it automatically be a 10-10 round? No.

    Should 10-10 rounds be a thing in MMA? Yes.
     
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    Too many draws. Just needs to be more clearly defined judging criteria IMO.
     
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    What if the lone dissenting judge is a complete idiot?

    For example two judges rightly score the round for one fighter and the other judge inexplicably score it for the other guy?

    This happens all the time in the UFC.

    So by your logic the guy who rightfully won the round gets that round converted to a draw?

    This makes no sense
     
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    The thing is, the judges won't necessarily be thinking to themselves 'this round is so close the other judges are going to score the round differently from me', and scoring is subjective. I just think they need to be held accountable for how they score. Every card where you see swing rounds determining the fight, they should exhaustively question the judges on why they scored the way they did, and take that argument and hold it against the benchmark to see if it stands up or not. If it does, great, why did the other judges come to a different conclusion? If their argument is equally valid, then why didn't they all score the round 10-10?

    If the judges are held more accountable, and there are real punishments for not scoring fights properly(like say losing your job), the fight results should be more correct more often. Presumably more draws and less split decisions will occur.
     
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    WhosTheBoss Green Belt

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    I think you need a panel of 7 judges , not 3. Will help sort out the variance.

    Also should have past fighters judge... not clueless morons who think blood = winning / influenced by crowd noises.
     
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    loisestrad Gold Belt Platinum Member

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    7 judges would lead to more split decissions. An increasing number of judges would, obviously, lead to that.
     
  8. randomalias

    randomalias Brown Belt

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    That is a good point.

    Would you agree with it if there were 5 judges?
     
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    I do not think being a past fighter means one would be a good judge.
     
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    Big John and Rogan have both been advocating for more judges for years
    If there were more judges less chance of blatant stupidity impacting scoring
     
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    How so?

    If 5 people see person A winning than person B, it’s much better than 2v1

    More is better for judging. Not less.
     
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    The problem with using past fighters is that they are still in most cases affiliated to fighter camps.

    Imagine Randy couture being a judge at Ryan couture fight.

    Or Hendo a judge on a team quest fighter

    Or Faber with TAM ?
     
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    why'd they have to kill gee money? he was up next dammit
     
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    Over time that might increase the competence of some judges, but it would be a long drawn out process.
     
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    Only if the panel is competent. Simply adding more judges that don't know what the fuck they are scoring is just throwing gasoline on a dumpster fire.

    They just need far more rigid peer-review, to hold them accountable for fucking with people's livelihoods. They are watching two guys whittling each other's lives down, the least they can do is be as accurate in scoring as humanly possible within their own rule-set.
     
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    A split decision is when it's not unanimous. Unless all 7 agree, it's a split decision.
     
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    Nothing really matters as long as the judges are drooling retards

    This ^10
     
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    Yes but it would also change what a split decision meant as there would be more combinations possible.

    Say there are 7 judges, is 6-1 going to be seen in the same light as a 2-1? No chance, but 4-3 would probably still be seen as a split decision.
     
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    But it’s better if it’s 5v2 vs 2v1

    Shows more people agree.

    Obviously it’s not a perfect system, it’s a subjective sport mixed with possible corruption and incompetence. That’s just my solution to helping it even out more. And to whoever said certain mma fighters shouldn’t judge... well obviously.

    They should be screened from a panel and chosen. What’s the diff with these random old men or whoever are judging? What if they hate certain fighters? It’s just as much as a possibility. At least w previous MMA fighters they understand and know what’s going on. DC or someone of that sort would be perfect.
     
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    A split decision says nothing about whether or not the judges are idiots or not.

    Sometimes rounds are simply really, really close, and it's not terribly uncommon for one round to swing a fight, especially in three round fights.

    Judge A claiming fighter A won a round by 1 percent and Judge B claiming fighter B won a round by 1 percent is actually a fairly similar opinion in real terms...it just happens to fall in such a way under the 10 point system to cause a judgment difference.
     
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