If the fighters had a union?

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  1. Inabox

    Inabox Blue Belt

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    If there were a fighters union would the ufc have to honour number 1 contenders fights. Such as the case of tate. Would this be an issue that she would then take to arbitration?
    Also do you see matchmaking from the ufc as a bigger anti union issue then say pay or beniffits?
     
  2. INoHespectChael

    INoHespectChael Black Belt

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    I really doubt a fighters' association would be able to control matchmaking.
     
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    unions would have no clout here, as dana does what dana wants. remember wand and his "ali act" bit?
     
  4. Inabox

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    So you don't think the union would push for honouring such things in a cba?
     
  5. DaGenius

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    The first priority of any fighters group would be pay and benefits. Matchmaking would be very very low priority
     
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    DGT4NOW Red Belt Platinum Member

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    yes you are correct.
    The head of the Culinary Union will replace Joe Silver



    :p
     
  7. Inabox

    Inabox Blue Belt

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    I'm not saying all match making. But could a cba include things like all number 1 contenders for a title must be determined by a number 1 contenders match where the winner will receive a title match.

    With that type of language the union isn't march making only guaranting that the ufc uphold there word.
     
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    If there were a union, it would be focused more on the $700 million contract that the UFC has with FOX that the fighters in which the fighters receive no part.

    The union would focus on the UFC being able to put certain sponsors logos on the Reebok uniforms, such as, Monster and Xbox. The fighters also receive no part of that sponsorship money.

    The union would also focus on how the UFC does not share the profits of the sponsors inside the Octagon.
     
  9. fightdonttweet

    fightdonttweet Banned Banned

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    Unions would have no say over what title matches get made. If you believe so you are utterly delusional.
     
  10. MotorcycleMir

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    Fighter pay and union threads need their own forum. The front page should not be clogged up with this hypothetical bs
     
  11. CardinalAqua

    CardinalAqua Purple Belt

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    you can add Reebok, PPV "estimates", forensic accounting "analysis", and business propositions to that list as well :)


    whos joe silver? :p
     
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  12. Darwinambrosius

    Darwinambrosius Thought you had a friend, boy?

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    Most threads are ultimately hypothetical though.
     
  13. Scamrock

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    But was she officially offered the fight? If they signed the contract and then they took it away, that's one thing. But for them to just say she will be next and then go in another direction, it might be a dick move, but I don't think they can do anything about that.
     
  14. eseseses681

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    Independent contractors can't unionize (or at least unionize in a way that would end up working like they'd want it to.) They'd have to become employees to be able to unionize. But promotions don't want fighters to be employees because it means they'd lose a lot of the loose restrictions they have over their fighters [they couldn't just cut Fitch and Okami after one loss when they kept Leonard Garcia and Koscheck around after five, nor could they cut people over stuff they say or not pay fighters who're unable to compete due to injuries, forcing them into outside work], and fighters want to stay as independent contractors cuz' they have far more freedom than they would as employees-- it's a big part of their whole spirit as fighters.
    If fighters want to be treated better by promoters-- more specifically, by the UFC, they've got to actually step-up, individually demand better treatment and manage themselves better. You may have success as an employee by showing your boss how much shit you're willing to eat compared to everyone else and hoping they'll eventually throw you a carrot, but doing that as an independent contractor is how you let people know you're willing to be abused and that you don't know what you're doing.



    For your question, if they were, somehow, able to unionize effectively, they could demand that contenders fights were honored. However, the problem with that is that the sport of fighting is so chaotic that it makes a forcible honoring of these kinds of agreements counter-productive to the sport itself. High-level fighters [outside of SEA-kickboxing] fight two or three times a year (not 10-30 times, if not more, like in other sports), they get injured all the time, the quality of their performances cycle up and down, upsets happen more than in any other sport, and the zeitgeist of it all changes so rapidly that things like title shots are very difficult to absolutely honor while still making the best match-ups. For example:

    - Fitch was the clear #1 contender in 2010 and unanimously ranked among the pound-for-pound top-10, but [almost] nobody had a problem with Shields getting the title fight over him since he hadn't finished a fight in his previous seven victories.
    - Dillashaw wasn't near immediate title contention when he got his title fight-- he was ranked, but he had no ranked victories and was [[URL="http://mmadecisions.com/decision/4558/Raphael-Assun
     

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