If Nazi Germany had won the War and Taken over. Would Civil Rights Movement have happened?

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  1. Leroy Jenkins

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    Just wondering.

    Lets say Germany had won the war and taken over Europe at least or perhaps the majority of the world.....

    Will a Civil Rights Movement had happened like in America eventually?


    Remember America was very similar to Nazi Germany, they committed genocide against the Native Americans, were extremely racist to Blacks, etc.....but eventually the civil rights movement happened.


    In my opinion, most Germans would've support civil rights eventually. Nazi propaganda would be weakened thru time and we would see a civil rights movement eventually.


    Perhaps it would take 150+ years like America but eventually it would happen.



    Nazi Germany would eventually admit the holocaust was wrong, the way they treated minorities was wrong and they would become progressive.


    No matter what, progressiveness can't be denied, it's part of human evolution.
     
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    Dumb ass their plan was to exterminate hundredths of millions white Europeans.

    You think blacks and or browns would get a slap on the wrist then a pat on the back and civil right's.


    ha ha hahahahahhaahahhaahah ahaha

    HA.
     
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    I meant civil rights for everybody, not just black or brown people.


    Eventually I believe that they would apologize to the slavs, jews, and any other whites.


    Just like America did even tho they committed genocide as well.
     
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    America was similar to nazi Germany?

    Yeah, I forgot that we rounded up Jews, blacks, gays, and the mentally ill and exterminated them (all 11,000,000).
     
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  6. Leroy Jenkins

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    America committed genocide against the Native Americans, it's a known fact....and were extremely racist against blacks.
     
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    When you look at the history of planned parenthood it was largely about stopping blacks and other undesirables from having kids. America was extremely racist. Even in the north. Just how it was.

    There would be a push back against some of what Germany wanted to do probably. You can't lock down the entire world, especially with their technology.
     
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    Eh, when my Papa came to the U.S. from Germany shortly after WWII, he quite vividly remembers signs saying "No dogs or Jews allowed on the beach" at various public beaches. He tells stories about meeting some of his in-laws to be and having them leave a restaurant because there were Jewish people at a nearby table. He remembers working with people who had been put into camps during WWII because they were Japanese.

    The long and short of it was that he remembered a Western World which had a tremendous underlying hatred of the groups that Germany went after, and even a lot of sympathy for what Germany did. So yeah, while America wasn't doing anything to the same degree, you're whitewashing history if you think that there weren't troublesome similarities between the mindset that lead to National Socialism in Germany and the mindset in pretty much every other Western country out there...

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    I'm sure the people putting up these signs, the ones who were cheering on putting Japanese people in internment camps during the war, were totally against what was going on in Germany though - right? Realistically, we were one bad politician and a few quirks of global politics away from being on the other side of that war...
     
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    I just find the alternative history fascinating because Germany was very technologically advanced, eventually the internet would happen, more science studies would show how similar we are...and the people themselves would see how unfair they were that eventually I would see Nazi Germany changing is becoming much like America.
     
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    Wouldn't really surprise me if the majority of the planet would be better off. Not for jews and Russians of course. And not saying I wish they won. It would have been a nightmare for a good while.
     
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    I enjoy the fact you admit progressiveness would eventualy happen...allot of people,especially those against it wont admit its apart of human evolution.

    personally I think the nazis would eventualy lower their standards and keep control of nonwhites breeding population and use a eugenics program to eliminate genes that couldnt pass for "honorary aryanism"

    look at the SS towards the end of the war....the requirements got watered down.

    taking over the requires too many resources at that time I dont think anyone had...especially when you are trying to exterminate everyone...not just enslaving them.
     
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    Hitler would've died soon, he was a wreck of a man at the end. Göring would've likely been 2nd in command, after Hitler, and he pretty much despised the likes of Himmler, SS, etc. who made up the "genocidal" wing of Nazism. There would've likely been a show-down between the two sides of the Nazi party, the more moderate (yes, moderate) Nazis, and the extremists, with the Wehrmacht likely choosing the side of a respected military man like Göring over a glorified thug like Himmler. The SS may have been necessary during war-time, but they would've become inconvenient in peace time.

    The genocidal acts would've been covered up, any disappearances would've been explained as an unfortunate part of war, high amounts of propaganda would've been used to present the Nazis as "liberators" who "normalized" the situation, and life would've likely gone on not entirely differently from how it was under the Soviet Union, until the system collapses from its own impossibility. Communism and fascism need to be implemented by leaders like Hitler or Stalin, otherwise they do not last long.
     
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    If wealth increases for the majority, it emboldens the spirit of the of the common man. Progressiveness will happen if people are wealthy and educated. To some extent, not the extent we see today where Europeans are essentially cheering about their women being raped and saying yes immigration is working great. The ideologies we see today are not natural and are created by the elite to tear society apart. People need to be poor, the internet needs to be locked down and regulated, free speech needs to end. That's the ideologies we see all across the west. That's not natural.
     
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    I see what you are saying...and I agree on somewhat on the kind of progressiveness you are seeking but control over people is natural....

    there was never peace on earth anywhere....

    there are always people that will try and rule over others opressively..
     
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    I thought if you are against private businesses choosing whom to serve,
    you hate freedom?
     
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    It is quite the conundrum, isn't it? It's why I'm torn on the issue ;) This is a page of history a lot of the people arguing for religious freedom laws would rather forget... The equivocation that goes on between “it’s OK for a bakery to not bake a cake for a gay wedding” and “it’s OK for a bakery to not bake a cake for a black party” is quite the dance routine.
     
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    And if you throw "it's OK for a bakery to not bake a cake for a Nazi meeting" into the mix..
     
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    Well, OBVIOUSLY that's a justified exception! Right? Right?.....
     

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