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Travis Fulton has 255 wins - including win streaks of 22, 28, and 40.
These wins span over both LHW and HW.
GOAT!
I know you're kidding.
Quality of opposition is assumed.
Travis Fulton has 255 wins - including win streaks of 22, 28, and 40.
These wins span over both LHW and HW.
GOAT!
Mario may not have played with the Oilers, but he did play with the second all time leading scorer, the fifth all time leading scorer and the second all time leading defenceman (so did Wayne though). It's all subjective, but we saw both Mario and Wayne play on the same team on the same line in 87 and Wayne was clearly the better playerFirst people have to decide what they're arguing. Determine the criteria for the label. Everyone has their own.
Look at the hockey examples. Wayne is probably the best, but Mario was more physically gifted, lost time to cancer (and still beat out Lafontaine for the scoring title that year) and didn't play with the Oilers, so there's wiggle room. As for Orr, it's been said that five of him beats five of any other player that ever played because Orr could do it all. If that's what matters, he's your pick for GOAT.
In MMA, there are people that put a premium on dynamic styles and finishes, these are critical to the discussion. Personally, my sole criteria is ability to win in a weight class, and I think GSP is the undisputed king where that's concerned.
I know you're kidding.
Quality of opposition is assumed.
GSP doesn’t need Khabib for his legacy. He has 2 belts from 2 divisions.Although I got love for Khabib and his incredible win streak, Im going with the hometown hero, GSP to win.
No they don't. Gretzky is the answer. Period.Its pretty much impossible to be the undisputed GOAT in any sport. People argue Mario and Orr over Gretzky in Hockey. People argue Kareem and Lebron over Jordan in Basketball. People argue Ali over SRR in Boxing. And people will argue Fedor/Jones over GSP in MMA even if he beats Khabib
Why would that be assumed? You said "my sole criteria is ability to win in a weight class". Sole criteria means the only one, does it not? Not sure why anything be assumed?
If we're assuming, why would how they won these matches in their division not be assumed? Why would world records not be assumed?
Starting to get weird.
Mario may not have played with the Oilers, but he did play with the second all time leading scorer, the fifth all time leading scorer and the second all time leading defenceman (so did Wayne though). It's all subjective, but we saw both Mario and Wayne play on the same team on the same line in 87 and Wayne was clearly the better player
NO - THE RUINING PART came at the expense of decling fights to the #2, #3 and #4 fighters after getting belt (Romero, mousasi, and souza) and then accepting a fight with the #15 68 year old Henderson in which he ,lol, got razor thin decision while wearing all damage then continued to avoid and drag his feet until he got his money grab fight vs GSP. A fight where the 4 year off the shelf WELTER was actually a -170 favorite. OK - the division was held hostage for a significant period of time by a coward ( that's not fighter bashing, it's the truth and privileged truth at that so consider yourself privileged).
I just dish it - no bias , no nothing.
You don't know shit about basketball. Jordan lost to a 59 win Bucks team as a rookie then to arguably the greatest team ever in the Bird Celtics, then to another of team that can be argued as one of the greatest ever in the bad boy Pistons. Learn your shit before making yourself look retarded
Jordan is BY FAR the best mix of winning and personal accomplishments. Russell and Chamberlain played in the NBA when it was still new and underdeveloped. Plus the Celtics had more talent on their team then the other 5 teams combined. Of course they were going to win every year. Kareem played his prime when the NBA talent was low and split with the ABA. Then he played second fiddle to Magic when the leagues merged.
And i like Lebron and have him 3d or 4th best, but his complete lack of ability to play off ball makes him tough to play with unless you are a spot up shooter. Its a massive weakness that will always keep him from being close to Jordan
Jordan was in his rookie-sophmore years at the time. Compare the players Jordan faced and Johnson/Kareem/Russel faced and its not even remotely close. Not to sound racist, but it was mainly unathletic White dudes who were still playing during the Kareem/Johnson/Russel era.
It really was not fair. The dream team US basketball team may be the greatest sports team ever, but there has never been two players in sports more talented playing on the same line as Mario and WayneThey're different kinds of players, and they compliment each other.
Mario off Gretzky for the gold was poetry.
Laughable that you say you have no bias and call Bisping a "coward" in the same paragraph.
This is prize fighting and Bisping fought the best of the best for years doing plenty of favours for the UFC along the way including fighting Rockhold on two weeks notice to save a card.
He got to the top of the mountain after plenty of injuries, wars and losing most of the vision in his right eye from fighting roided Vitor Belfort.
He got himself to the position where he could ask for money fights and wouldn't you want revenge on the guy who turned you into his own logo?
Kareem outscored the pass first point guard? That's crazy haha. No shit he outscored the guy putting up 13 assists a gameWhoa there, a little testy, no? Are you upset that you had to take Jordan’s cock out of your mouth long enough to respond to me?
It’s not enough that I acknowledge that he is in the conversation? I have to say that he is the clear-cut GOAT with no argument for anyone else?
It’s funny how people will criticize the 80s for being full of unathletic white people and then give Jordan a pass for losing to the Celtics because it was a super team. Celtics were mainly white guys.
Also, Kareem didn’t play second fiddle to a Magic. Kareem out scored Magic until
The 1986-87 season, by which point he was almost 40 and still scored 17.5 PPG. Do you even know basketball?
l’ll just leave this here for you to browse at your leisure.
http://airjudden2.tripod.com/jordan/index.htm
Kareem outscored the pass first point guard? That's crazy haha. No shit he outscored the guy putting up 13 assists a game
Yeah he was second fiddle buddy. That's why he had 1 finals MVP and Magic had three. That's why magic has 3 regular season MVPs and Kareem had 1 when they played together.
And you already lost all credibility when you said the Celtics and Bad Boy Pistons were nobodies. You are way out of your depth
Mario may not have played with the Oilers, but he did play with the second all time leading scorer, the fifth all time leading scorer and the second all time leading defenceman (so did Wayne though). It's all subjective, but we saw both Mario and Wayne play on the same team on the same line in 87 and Wayne was clearly the better player