If everyone goes to college, won't it just be 13th-16th grade?

[Denter]

That's basically what would happen with the Bernie plan.

I've never read where he proposes to eliminate SAT/ACT considerations or GPA or any sort of entrance requirements. And, of course, it would only apply to state schools. So you still have to get good grades and score high on a standardized to get in (to a state school) and once you're in, the state pays for it. Pretty much the exact same as Germany and every other developed (and most developing) countries.

But I understand that absolutely ANY opportunity to ridicule racism claims must be seized.

There are plenty of schools with open admissions or will admit people with bad GPAs and bad SAT scores. Will they get government money too?

 

[MadSquabbles500]

The idea is that college education has, on the lower end of colleges, become quite dumbed down, and many people are there that shouldn't be in higher education at all. Quality>Quantity.

I've got no opposition to paying for college, but it should be like Germany where there is a strict national exam, and if you pass, the state will pay. But of course, we can't have nice things because that would be racism.

Plus there is already scholarships for exceptional high schoool kids. If you are not good enough to get it to bad. IF you still want the chance to prove it why shouldnt you have to pay?

 

[sickc0d3r]

The idea is that college education has, on the lower end of colleges, become quite dumbed down, and many people are there that shouldn't be in higher education at all. Quality>Quantity.

I've got no opposition to paying for college, but it should be like Germany where there is a strict national exam, and if you pass, the state will pay. But of course, we can't have nice things because that would be racism.

I think that removing the financial barrier would have to increase the difficulty of academic standards for entry.

 

[wandiswar]

@Byron Carter The republican party/conservaitism will end up just like Christopher Hitchens.......................dead and irrelevant.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

There are plenty of schools with open admissions or will admit people with bad GPAs and bad SAT scores. Will they get government money too?

If by plenty you mean a few small, scattered ones, then yeah.

And sure, they'll get money. The CUNY system was open in the 60s when the cost was basically nominal and the US didn't fall apart.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

I think that removing the financial barrier would have to increase the difficulty of academic standards for entry.

Not necessarily. The schools will still get paid. They have money to invest. Or if the students get something free, why cant the school get new buildings or dorms from the government too?

 

[Possum Jenkins]

I think that removing the financial barrier would have to increase the difficulty of academic standards for entry.

Yup. I know for a fact that in Latin America, the state schools are extremely hard to get into because you got tons of applicants for few limited spots.

I'd be surprised if it was much different in Europe.

 

[sickc0d3r]

Not necessarily. The schools will still get paid. They have money to invest. Or if the students get something free, why cant the school get new buildings or dorms from the government too?

You still need qualified professors to teach the curriculum. I imagine there would be more or less strict academic criteria based on the types of programs, with certain trades and liberal arts types at the low end, and finite math and other stuff I don't understand at the higher end. With only so many slots available an increase in applicants would be very likely to drive up the standards in a lot of areas.

 

[sickc0d3r]

Yup. I know for a fact that in Latin America, the state schools are extremely hard to get into because you got tons of applicants for few limited spots.

I'd be surprised if it was much different in Europe.

Yeah, it was actually Costa Rica that leaped to mind. I've heard that they have a highly respected public education system.

 

[djacobox372]

Plus there is already scholarships for exceptional high schoool kids. If you are not good enough to get it to bad. IF you still want the chance to prove it why shouldnt you have to pay?

A few facts on scholarships:

• Only 1 in 10 students qualify for any scholarships at all, and on average they pay for less than 10% of tuition
• Only 1 in 400 of students pay for their full tuition from scholarships, most of these are athletes.
• Even if you have exceptional grades (3.5+ GPA) and SAT (1350+) scores have less than a 25% chance of getting any scholarships at all, much less one that pays for a significant portion of your tuition.

We should also consider the very undemocratic agenda/politics behind scholarships. Most of scholarships are not based on merit alone, they more often have an agenda of promoting certain demographics over another, discriminating based on religion, race, national origin, gender, family history, etc.

 

[djacobox372]

We had something very close to "free" college in the 1970's due to the GI bill, and massive federal subsidies to education that kept tuition very low.

The result was an well educated workforce that led the world in innovation and technology in the 1980s and 90s.

 

[UpaLoompa]

We had something very close to "free" college in the 1970's due to the GI bill, and massive federal subsidies to education that kept tuition very low.

The result was an well educated workforce that led the world in innovation and technology in the 1980s and 90s.

This should be a pretty simple point to understand. Unfortunately it sounds too much like "socialism".

 

[MadSquabbles500]

A few facts on scholarships:

• Only 1 in 10 students qualify for any scholarships at all, and on average they pay for less than 10% of tuition
• Only 1 in 400 of students pay for their full tuition from scholarships, most of these are athletes.
• Even if you have exceptional grades (3.5+ GPA) and SAT (1350+) scores have less than a 25% chance of getting any scholarships at all, much less one that pays for a significant portion of your tuition.

We should also consider the very undemocratic agenda/politics behind scholarships. Most of scholarships are not based on merit alone, they more often have an agenda of promoting certain demographics over another, discriminating based on religion, race, national origin, gender, family history, etc.

If scholarships are not currently a good way to fund college, is only because it is not plentiful enough. Which can easily change with more private donations and all (maybe some taxpayer subsidy too). Yet that is still a choice to be made by the individual who can help. Currently there does not seem to be much interest.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

We had something very close to "free" college in the 1970's due to the GI bill, and massive federal subsidies to education that kept tuition very low.

The result was an well educated workforce that led the world in innovation and technology in the 1980s and 90s.

WE still have GI Bill. But what was general enrollment like back then compared to now?

 

[fbgn]

It already is that way.

Everyone can have a college degree, but you'll just have people with college degrees digging ditches and serving burgers.

master's are so ridiculously common, it's hilarious

 

[matburn H]

Would be a good idea. The current college system is a mess. Make college more accessable for poor kids will increase the competition, thus increasing the quality of graduates. Currently too many idiots and woman's study majors with massive student loans, that's why it feels like everyone has a degree.

 

[phipps66]

If everyone got a bachelors degree for free, I would imagine the costs for a 6 year, masters, phd etc. would be absolutely staggering.

 

[Bloodworth]

The longer we can keep you kids busy the better. Great countries keep the young busy or if they are let free things get out of control. ..
School is perfect for that

 

[Richmma80]

Will they put in some type to correct this?

 

[Prutfis]

lol Byron got run out of his own ignorant ass thread again. Wanna bet he will be making the same dumbass arguments again in 3 months?