If everyone goes to college, won't it just be 13th-16th grade?

[MadSquabbles500]

And those of us who went to public high-school know how great 9-12 were, education wise!

Socialism! Everyone gets a trophy!

It has already been basically a sleep away camp for high school kids for about 12 years or so now.

Why do you think all the preppie, boarding school kids do so well in life besides the familial connections? They do good in college which is essentially a continuation of the boarding school.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

We have a service based economy. People need to go to college because it is extremely difficult to get a good paying job without a degree.

Don't blame socialism, blame capitalism. So many people want to go to college because that's what the market demands. And companies perpetually devaluing labor doesn't really help.

Then why so many college grads not have high paying jobs? The "market" is over saturated with college degrees making them worthless. It is extremely difficult to get a good paying job with a degree too.

 

[ProBoxingInsidr]

i could guarantee you that it would become about the same thing with kids not being allowed to fail, so ultimately the degree would become basically worthless. plus, i wouldprefer kids that actually want to be in school go rather than many of them who just go because its free and delays "real life."

 

[MadSquabbles500]

And no its not just 13-16th. People seperate themselves into the career field they want.

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Well, like in HS, you can choose drama club, to be lab rat, play lots of sports, be really into arts and crafts, or be good at english.

 

[Satsui Ryu]

Then why so many college grads not have high paying jobs? The "market" is over saturated with college degrees making them worthless. It is extremely difficult to get a good paying job with a degree too.

That's doesn't really say much about the value of a degree more as just the number and quality of jobs in the market relative to the size of the population. If all these extra degree holders actually didn't go to college they'd still be really screwed as they'd have little to no options. What should they do? At least with a degree they have a fighting shot.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

That's doesn't really say much about the value of a degree more as just the number and quality of jobs in the market relative to the size of the population. If all these extra degree holders actually didn't go to college they'd still be really screwed as they'd have little to no options. What should they do? At least with a degree they have a fighting shot.

For something very specific with like say STEM, then yes a degree will give them a fighting chance.

As for what everyone else should do? They can just get an entry level job, and work their way up the old fashion way.

How helpful is STEM or any specialized degree in getting you a job outside of STEM or that specialized field? That is if STEM is saturated already.

 

[spin]

So don't send your kids to college.


And try to keep your moronic ideas to yourself more often.

 

[Satsui Ryu]

For something very specific with like say STEM, then yes a degree will give them a fighting chance.

As for what everyone else should do? They can just get an entry level job, and work their way up the old fashion way.

How helpful is STEM or any specialized degree in getting you a job outside of STEM or that specialized field? That is if STEM is saturated already.

I think these days most fields are saturated. There may be shortages for some jobs at a regional level, but at a national level I don't see it. I don't think STEM is this kind of magic bullet that people make it out to be.

And what entry level jobs are non degree holders supposed to get? Fry cook? Ditch digger? The thing about a degree is that it not only opens People up to good paying jobs initially, it opens them up to jobs that are not dead ends. Most jobs that don't require a degree end up going nowhere. Hard work is far from the only thing that gets people ahead. Not only that, those non-degree requiring jobs results in people who are a lot more dependent on others to get by.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

I think these days most fields are saturated. There may be shortages for some jobs at a regional level, but at a national level I don't see it.

And what entry level jobs are non degree holders supposed to get? Fry cook? Ditch digger? The thing about a degree is that it not only opens People up to good paying jobs initially, it opens them up to jobs that are not dead ends. Most jobs that don't require a degree end up going nowhere. Hard work is far from the only thing that gets people ahead. Not only that, those non-degree requiring jobs results in people who are a lot more dependent on others to get by.

What be this good paying jobs initially though that only degree can open door to? Besides STEM of course. Like accounting and finance? We only need so many of those. Plus all the good jobs in those two fields reserved for grads that get those degrees from certain schools.

Arent most jobs even requiring a college degree dependent on others too? How do they make money if not trying to please someone else?

 

[gigantalor]

Is there something wrong with having a better-educated country?

There is when everyone else has to pay for it.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

And those of us who went to public high-school know how great 9-12 were, education wise!

Socialism! Everyone gets a trophy!

Keep painting your fairy tale bullshit.

This didn't go on in my school or any school friends of mine went to.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Is there something wrong with having a better-educated country?

Yes the republicans loathe that idea.

Jack can you fucking believe there are people arguing the benefit of not going to college.

It's mind numbing

 

[nostradumbass]

I've always wondered what would happen football/athletic scholarships once all colleges are tuition free? I think college athletics could end up being turned on its head.

We will likely see public universities become how community college is now and the private schools that still charge tuition and give scholarships will be the ones that are more valuable and will have better athletics as well as academics. It's already a much better deal to get a full scholarship than it would be if college was free to begin with because of living costs.

College is paid for by the state in Sweden and 85% still graduate in debt compared to 50% in the US. I think the average student debt in Sweden is around 20k, compared to like 25k in the US. If you're a top athlete in Sweden, you're probably coming to the US for college.

It's very helpful to have a degree if you're trying to get hired, but you'd probably be better off taking the same money you would spend on college and start your own business and working for yourself.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

Is there something wrong with having a better-educated country?

i, in jest, try and poke holes in many socialist ideals but barring the taxes, if one simply looks up poverty and illiteracy rates in say Germany, or most of Scandinavia/Nordic it's pretty hard to argue w/ the efficacy

 

[ironwolf]

Free College/Uni doesn't mean everyone gets to go, it doesn't work that way even in countries with free education.

This. You still have to be accepted and all that shit.

 

[ironwolf]

We will likely see public universities become how community college is now and the private schools that still charge tuition and give scholarships will be the ones that are more valuable and will have better athletics as well as academics. It's already a much better deal to get a full scholarship than it would be if college was free to begin with because of living costs.

College is paid for by the state in Sweden and 85% still graduate in debt compared to 50% in the US. I think the average student debt in Sweden is around 20k, compared to like 25k in the US. If you're a top athlete in Sweden, you're probably coming to the US for college.

It's very helpful to have a degree if you're trying to get hired, but you'd probably be better off taking the same money you would spend on college and start your own business and working for yourself.

At my university, the entire ski team was Swedish. All of them knew each other too because they went to a highschool that was like "Swedish school for top athletes" or something like that.

They used to have orgies and stuff. None of them actually seemed too bright but God damn they could ski.

 

[Supereem]

Except for the fact our public schooling is a joke, and anyone with even a modicum of intellect finds the academic portion of it trivial.

Without my masters degree I wouldn't be a millionaire today. To each their own though. Have fun complaining about gun rights on an MMA forum for the rest of your life.

 

[IIIIIIII]

in successful countries like germany, many young people don't attend traditional college. they attend schools that specialized in specific fields. it's no wonder that germany has low-employment statistics. too many kids pursue, "dream jobs" to only find out that everyone else is also pursing that job. there are only so many jobs around.

 

[Prutfis]

You have to be an absolute fucking moron if you don´t think educating more people is a good idea. But then I noticed TS and everything became clear. But hey, flipping burgers with your kids gives lots of quality time.

 

[Tol]

The average kid spends 7 hours "in class" and attends school 180 days a year for a total of 1,260 school hours. If you cut down summer break to add 30 more days to the school year, and an extra 2 hours of school a day, that would add an extra 420 school hours a year. If you do that for 2 years of middle school and 4 years of high school, you squeeze in an extra 2 years worth of school years into the public school system. That's your college general ed right there. You see, I just saved the tax payer some money and gave future generations a better education!