If evaluating by name of wins, Franklin

[the ambush]

There was a guy who has defeated Liddell, Wanderlei Silva, Ken Shamrock, and Okami over the course of his career. It might not be who you think it is either.
















Franklin

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If you were evaluating a fighter only by name of wins without considering the opponent's age and prime years, wouldn't Franklin be near the top? Since he should have earned the respect and status by beating past legends.

It goes back to another example I have like Machida beating Couture when he did, even if Couture was 60 years old to me that's an impressive win.

 

[Master Shonuff]

Couture still had something left

 

[the ambush]

bump

 

[FedorandBjpenn]

The way you presented this post is hard to understand.

But yes Franklin is in the top 15-20.

Still....a lot of fighters have better names on there records. Not to discredit Rich Franklin. He is a beast.

 

[njgrappler]

As you mentioned, all of the guys mentioned were well past their prime except for Okami.

However yes, it is a good set of names to have on his resume. Franklin was an excellent fighter and the absolute cream of the crop at 185 until Anderson came into the UFC. I still remember the calls for Franklin vs Hendo back in the PRIDE/UFC days to establish who truly was the best 185er in the world at the time.

 

[FedorandBjpenn]

Hendo for one has beaten

Franklin
Fedor
Shogun
Wanderlei Silva
Big Nog
Vitor Belfort
Renzo Gracie


Hughes might be the most impressive in terms of names

Royce Gracie
Carlos Newton
Sakurai
Bj Penn
GSP
Matt Serra
Renzo Gracie
Sean Sherk


Machida beat

Bj Penn
Randy Couture
Shogun
Rich Franklin
Dan Henderson
Tito
Rashad
Mousasi

 

[njgrappler]

But yes Franklin is in the top 15-20.

Top 15-20 what? Fighters of all time? I'd have to disagree with you there.

 

[FedorandBjpenn]

Top 15-20 what? Fighters of all time? I'd have to disagree with you there.

I was saying in terms of big name wins... but yes now that I think about it

Rich Franklin is a top 15-20 fighter of all time.. without question
and I didnt realize it

 

[FedorandBjpenn]

In No particular order just the way they popped in my head

Fedor
Anderson Silva
George St Pierre
Bj Penn
Chuck Liddell
Shogun
Henderson
Jon Jones
Aldo
Franklin
Machida
Cain (hes gonna be one of the best of all time and im throwing him on this list)
Big Nog
Couture
Sakuraba
Royce Gracie
Matt Hughes
Cro Cop


you got a problem with Rich being on that list?

 

[the ambush]

Hendo for one has beaten

Franklin
Fedor
Shogun
Wanderlei Silva
Big Nog
Vitor Belfort
Renzo Gracie


Hughes might be the most impressive in terms of names

Royce Gracie
Carlos Newton
Sakurai
Bj Penn
GSP
Matt Serra
Renzo Gracie
Sean Sherk


Machida beat

Bj Penn
Randy Couture
Shogun
Rich Franklin
Dan Henderson
Tito
Rashad
Mousasi

I understand this is subjective, but are wins against Renzo Gracie and Serra truley prolific? I obviously value fighters and wins based on different criteria . Also in that case I might want to add another historically good fighter under Franklin's resume, Tanner.

 

[FedorandBjpenn]

I understand this is subjective, but are wins against Renzo Gracie and Serra truley prolific? I obviously value fighters and wins based on different criteria . Also in that case I might want to add another historically good fighter under Franklin's resume, Tanner.

You are completely and totally wrong.

Kidding, I totally agree. I was just listing big wins from my perspective!

 

[the ambush]

Kudos. You seem to offer fighters their due, wish other fanboys were just as consistent and fair. Instead of making excuses to why x-fighter beat y-fighter, and not giving a valid reason.

I've seen it in many threads before.