If evaluating by name of wins, Franklin

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  1. the ambush

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    There was a guy who has defeated Liddell, Wanderlei Silva, Ken Shamrock, and Okami over the course of his career. It might not be who you think it is either.
















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    If you were evaluating a fighter only by name of wins without considering the opponent's age and prime years, wouldn't Franklin be near the top? Since he should have earned the respect and status by beating past legends.

    It goes back to another example I have like Machida beating Couture when he did, even if Couture was 60 years old to me that's an impressive win.
     
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    Couture still had something left
     
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    The way you presented this post is hard to understand.

    But yes Franklin is in the top 15-20.

    Still....a lot of fighters have better names on there records. Not to discredit Rich Franklin. He is a beast.
     
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    njgrappler Tactical Fedor

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    As you mentioned, all of the guys mentioned were well past their prime except for Okami.

    However yes, it is a good set of names to have on his resume. Franklin was an excellent fighter and the absolute cream of the crop at 185 until Anderson came into the UFC. I still remember the calls for Franklin vs Hendo back in the PRIDE/UFC days to establish who truly was the best 185er in the world at the time.
     
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    Hendo for one has beaten

    Franklin
    Fedor
    Shogun
    Wanderlei Silva
    Big Nog
    Vitor Belfort
    Renzo Gracie


    Hughes might be the most impressive in terms of names

    Royce Gracie
    Carlos Newton
    Sakurai
    Bj Penn
    GSP
    Matt Serra
    Renzo Gracie
    Sean Sherk


    Machida beat

    Bj Penn
    Randy Couture
    Shogun
    Rich Franklin
    Dan Henderson
    Tito
    Rashad
    Mousasi
     
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    njgrappler Tactical Fedor

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    Top 15-20 what? Fighters of all time? I'd have to disagree with you there.
     
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    I was saying in terms of big name wins... but yes now that I think about it

    Rich Franklin is a top 15-20 fighter of all time.. without question
    and I didnt realize it
     
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    In No particular order just the way they popped in my head

    Fedor
    Anderson Silva
    George St Pierre
    Bj Penn
    Chuck Liddell
    Shogun
    Henderson
    Jon Jones
    Aldo
    Franklin
    Machida
    Cain (hes gonna be one of the best of all time and im throwing him on this list)
    Big Nog
    Couture
    Sakuraba
    Royce Gracie
    Matt Hughes
    Cro Cop


    you got a problem with Rich being on that list?
     
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    I understand this is subjective, but are wins against Renzo Gracie and Serra truley prolific? I obviously value fighters and wins based on different criteria . Also in that case I might want to add another historically good fighter under Franklin's resume, Tanner.
     
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    You are completely and totally wrong.

    Kidding, I totally agree. I was just listing big wins from my perspective!
     
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    Kudos. You seem to offer fighters their due, wish other fanboys were just as consistent and fair. Instead of making excuses to why x-fighter beat y-fighter, and not giving a valid reason.

    I've seen it in many threads before.
     

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