If Donald Trump's immigration plan came true, the results would be scary.

[86'd]

this is the problem w/ this kind of logic - it's utterly moronic to hate big corporations, wall street and career politicians just because they are those things. a big corporation and a career politician is not necessarily evil. bernie sanders is a career politician.

this is what fuckin hipsters don't get. they haven't been through a lot of the shit that republicans want us to go back to. they want to repeal the ACA - great, there goes my pre-existing condition regulation. now i'll be on the phone for weeks with fuckfaces from insurance companies if i have to switch health providers again.

that's what happens if you are so stupid that you think it's cool to be "anti establishment" when you don't even understand the fuckin consequences of letting a psycho like trump or ted cruz anywhere near the white house.

i get why republicans don't get any of this and vote against their own interests. they have massive brainwashing propaganda to fight against - radio shows, blogs, youtube videos, fox news. it's a literal jungle of hatred and paranoia being pumped into soft brains on a daily basis. for everyone else, a person like cruz or trump is utterly terrifying. and these fuckin college hipsters literally don't understand this very simple concept b/c they are too wrapped up in their own egos to actually give a shit.

Take better care of yourself you unhealthy bitch.

And LOL at college. You have no idea who you're talking too.

 

[panamaican]

I think that would all depend on how a program like that is rolled out. If the government decides to strike out with raid after raid, filling up those hundred-odd hypothetical buses to Mexico every day, then the hit to labor would be maximal right? It seems pointless because we're just going to bring in workers anyway at the end of the day if Americans can't or won't fill those jobs.

Demand would push the wages up in the short run. Americans will take those jobs once the incentives get high enough.

 

[Bloodworth]

Immigrants send money out of the country.
Spanish language was the first to not assimilate into English and destroyed the fabric of the country, language is very important . Having everything translated in spanish Is disrespectful to all other languages who the government decided not to use.

Diseases,

if there are citizens looking for a job and it's given to an illegal, that's a problem

 

[sloppypie]

Take better care of yourself you unhealthy bitch.

And LOL at college. You have no idea who you're talking too.

i played varsity sports in high school. and like most people that play competitive sports, we have injuries. some permanent.

i suffered a really bad groin pull my senior year. 7 years later, a health insurance provider denied me coverage b/c i had physical therapy for that injury. i was 25 years old. i can't even imagine what the fuck cancer patients or people with serious conditions must of had to go through.

when you turn 18 and start living on your own, you'll start eating dirt forced fed down your throat from real life. and when you do, you'll start seeing how full of shit republicans are and how little they actually care about anyone that isn't worth a billion dollars or want jesus on the dollar bill.

 

[Bacco]

But you can't tell him or his supporters actual facts. Factual information goes against their world and everything they have been taught to believe.

Not that's false, but that sound exactly like the other herd of sheeps

Feel good believe to be in the correct team, does'nt?

 

[Renard]

You're arguing something that wasn't in the video or in my post. No one claimed a timeline or even the absence of a period of adjustment.

The video is awful because it completely disregards how the economy would respond to Trump's plan and acts as if in the absence of illegal immigrants, those jobs would simply sit unaddressed until the end of time. That's poor reasoning.

Now you're arguing that it's superior to avoid 10 years of job shifting from illegals to legal would result in an economic downturn so bad that 20 years from now isn't worth 10 years of difficulty now? That's a very short term way to look at it. We're one of the largest exporters of food in the world and dramatically subsidize our agricultural industry. I'm sure there's enough wiggle room between those 2 points to offset the immediate loss of our illegal workforce.

Also, why would replacing illegal labor with legal labor result in an economic downturn? If the jobs of essential, the underemployed and unemployed will fill them. If they're non-essential, they'll be phased out and replaced with something better. Where's the downside. We're removing labor, not the job supply.

There's overwhelming research that shows illegals haven't damaged the economy. There's an analysis here on the very subject you brought up.

You're trying to fix something that isn't broken. You assume 20 years from now things would improve from that hypothetical 10 years of hardship; you don't get it. Your arm is broken and you think putting your legs in a cast will fix the problem. That's why I said you'd be doing it on principle. You want to kick the illegals out because it feels good, I get it. It's not a logical reason though.

The reason people feel something is wrong with the economy is because of stagnant wages, which is related to income inequality. If you want the economy to improve, stop wasting your time scapegoating the illegals and tackle the real problem.

 

[Bacco]

In fact many 'socialists' (true ones) are against mass immigration because it is a tool the capitalist use to divide and underpay people. Take care of the citizens first. "Oligarchs" if they exist would heavily profit off underpaying people and importing cheap labor.

So much this

 

[panamaican]

There's overwhelming research that shows illegals haven't damaged the economy. There's an analysis here on the very subject you brought up.

You're trying to fix something that isn't broken. You assume 20 years from now things would improve from that hypothetical 10 years of hardship; you don't get it. Your arm is broken and you think putting your legs in a cast will fix the problem. That's why I said you'd be doing it on principle. You want to kick the illegals out because it feels good, I get it. It's not a logical reason though.

The reason people feel something is wrong with the economy is because of stagnant wages, which is related to income inequality. If you want the economy to improve, stop wasting your time scapegoating the illegals and tackle the real problem.

I like that you're no longer even remotely responding to what I wrote.

I never said anything as broken. I said the video is awful. And, of course, you'd be doing it on principle. None of that changes the failings of the video though.

 

[86'd]

i played varsity sports in high school. and like most people that play competitive sports, we have injuries. some permanent.

i suffered a really bad groin pull my senior year. 7 years later, a health insurance provider denied me coverage b/c i had physical therapy for that injury. i was 25 years old. i can't even imagine what the fuck cancer patients or people with serious conditions must of had to go through.

when you turn 18 and start living on your own, you'll start eating dirt forced fed down your throat from real life. and when you do, you'll start seeing how full of shit republicans are and how little they actually care about anyone that isn't worth a billion dollars or want jesus on the dollar bill.

You literally have no idea who you're speaking too. I have a work injury that has left me permanently disabled right out of high school. yet I work. And it's a helluva a lot more gruesome than your groin injury.

I could squeeze my foot into more federal jobs if I don't lie about it on applications(Thanks to eeo regulations). Yet I don't. And I did not sue either. I'm advised not to be outside yet I still work outside. I was advised not to return to work as soon as I did. Yet I did.

And this all happened years ago. This humble pie you speak of. It's already been served. Numerous times over.

Also while you were in summer camps for your sports in HS. I was working full time with illegal mexicans while in Junior high.

 

[theBLADE1]

how did farming work in the US before there was an illegal immigration problem? the US just didn't grow crops back then?

Yeah maybe between 70 to 100 years ago. It would take a long time before American workers got to the point where they could do the type of arduous labor in the fields day in and day out that illegal immigrants have been doing. Maybe eventually but not before doing a huge blow to the economy and sending food prices through the roof.

they do contribute a ton to our economy but we have a huge labor surplus, we have a ton of people who arent contributing to our economy that would if the jobs taken by illegals were available. those jobs arent going to sit empty

republicans arent against foreigners becoming citizens assuming they follow the legal path. the US government shouldnt reward people for breaking our laws and give them citizenship when a law abiding person has been waiting for a chance to come to america legally

"everyone who disagrees with my feelings and sympathies on a subjective subject is a half witted retard". the governments job isnt to be charitable to foreigners. but to protect american's rights, property and interests. if people want to help foreigners they can do that with their own money and efforts.

As someone who has known And Has been very close friends With illegal immigrants I can tell you this bullshit. It's a long difficult process to become a citizen and if they're already living here then we don't need to punish them to send some type of stupid message. Let them become a part of the economy and then take more steps to shore up our border. Besides an unreasonable wall.