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Sherdog is filled with stupidity.I have seen many posters here claim that he is, in fact, the GoAT.
Personally, I think GSP is the GoAT. But I'm trying to have a conversation.
Sherdog is filled with stupidity.I have seen many posters here claim that he is, in fact, the GoAT.
Personally, I think GSP is the GoAT. But I'm trying to have a conversation.
Sherdog is filled with stupidity.
LHW sucks, bad, but he's looked great. He is probably goat LHW, and maybe halfway to the actual GOAT discussions.I can't disagree with you there. But really, I am just trying to have a conversation.
And I really dislike Jones, but if we're being honest, he is a legit piece of the GoAT conversation. He has destroyed many top tier fighters and does not have a real loss in over 20 pro fights. He was a dominant champ (8 consecutive title defenses) and no man who tried could take his belt from him in the cage.
LHW sucks, bad, but he's looked great. He is probably goat LHW, and maybe halfway to the actual GOAT discussions.
Considered by who? Pride fanboys? I considered it very weak, it had been for a long time. Machida could likely make WW if he really wanted to and he was LHW champ. It's still very shallow. Imagine if DC did not move down and Rumble did not move up .. it would be Jones / Gus and .... 10 levels below there is everyone else. LHW is still crazy shallow outside the top 4.When he took the LHW belt, that division was considered a shark tank. It was only after he dismantled it that people started claiming that the division was terrible/the fighters are washed up/everyone is too old.
Considered by who? Pride fanboys? I considered it very weak, it had been for a long time. Machida could likely make WW if he really wanted to and he was LHW champ. It's still very shallow. Imagine if DC did not move down and Rumble did not move up .. it would be Jones / Gus and .... 10 levels below there is everyone else. LHW is still crazy shallow outside the top 4.
Except I am telling you I am not saying it in hindsight, I said it all along. The only difference is people who did not believe me then are looking back and seeing I was right. It's not a knock on Jones, he would be the top guy even if the division was great, it just isn't, and it wasn't. It's better now though than it was .. at the very top at least. Again 2/3 of the top LHW guys not named Jones moved to LHW, without them the division would have almost no depth anywhere.When he took the belt, Shogun was still looked at as great. Rampage, Machida, Rashad were all still considered legit top level guys. It's easy to look back in hindsight and say he beat washed up fighters, but it's disingenuous. He was the reason the LHW division was exposed. Back in 2010-2011, those guys were all widely lauded as beasts.
If DC beats Jones, half the forum will make excuses while the other half talks about how he's washed up now and was never that good anyway.
Except I am telling you I am not saying it in hindsight, I said it all along. The only difference is people who did not believe me then are looking back and seeing I was right. It's not a knock on Jones, he would be the top guy even if the division was great, it just isn't, and it wasn't. It's better now though than it was .. at the very top at least. Again 2/3 of the top LHW guys not named Jones moved to LHW, without them the division would have almost no depth anywhere.
It was 49-46 get it right.
Pretty much.
A domination is a Sherk Florian 50-45 or GSP Fitch 50-44 or 50-43.
A 48-47 is hardly a domination.
Thats a ridiculous statement. Your comparing college to light heavyweight and HW to NFL? lol. The competition is actually better at LHW these days. Just face it , jones is the GOAT.
Except I am telling you I am not saying it in hindsight, I said it all along. The only difference is people who did not believe me then are looking back and seeing I was right. It's not a knock on Jones, he would be the top guy even if the division was great, it just isn't, and it wasn't. It's better now though than it was .. at the very top at least. Again 2/3 of the top LHW guys not named Jones moved to LHW, without them the division would have almost no depth anywhere.
Machida was on a roll, Shogun just KO'd him, Rampage was Rampage, Rashad was looking like something else but now that Jones has beaten them and they've all gotten older and more worn, NOW the LHW division was exposed and 'always' weak?
Seriously, you all can get the fuck out.
I'm not going to argue whether the fight was a "domination" or not. I think that it was a very competitive but clear win for Jones.
However, it boggles the mind that people consistently post the wrong score when referring to the decision.
It was only 48-47 on Sherdog. The judges had it 49-46 across the board.
And I did not dispute that, I am just saying there is no hindsight for me, I thought it was weak all along. Others have come around to my thinking. MW was crazy weak too, Strikeforce being acquired helped MW out a lot.It doesn't matter if you personally thought it, the general public perception was that the division was full of killers. That's what I said, and it's true. That was the general perception of the division when Jones took over.