if cubans could go pro and train in cuba

[tekkenfan]

do you think they would dominate the pro world? they dominate the amateur game curious how well that would carry over obviously adjustments would have to be made due to longer rounds and style in general

 

[Cole train]

do you think they would dominate the pro world? they dominate the amateur game curious how well that would carry over obviously adjustments would have to be made due to longer rounds and style in general

They really dont dominate the amateur scene if talking boxing

ex soviet/central asia states give a run of their money

 

[weirdflex]

Part of the reason they do well in amateur boxing is because the level of participation in amateur boxing and the scarcity of options for Cubans in leisure and gaining an income.

Wiki; of the 99,000 athletes in Cuba currently, 19,000 are boxers, including 81 of Olympic competence, even though only 12 make the Olympic team.

The Olympics is the only goal of the Cuban govts support of competitive sport. They have around 20,000 boxers all literally duking it out for 12 Olympic spots.
Same goes for wrestling etc.

If professional boxing was allowed in Cuba it would mean that capitalist personal profiteering would be allowed throughout society.

That would allow for a thriving pro boxing scene but it would also mean that lots of people would do things other than sports. And as with every country in the world, pro team sports like soccer would be king and swallow up all the best athletes.

The thriving economy and society in all read would conversely allow for a broader range of Olympic sport participation by athletes who began doing it as a hobby rather than a career for survival. And because the greater amount of money floating around could pay for stuff that is more expensive than gloves and jump rope.
You would have swimmers, skateboarders, cyclists, sailors and all sorts. Just as you do in every other developed capitalist economy.


Back to the boxing. They would probably do just slightly better than they do now.
Much less people would box in Cuba , but boxers would enter pro ranks young if they wish which never happens today.

The Cuban style of boxing , like the Soviet style. Is an excellent "teachable" safe method for amateur boxing. And it is built around scoring in amateur boxing.
Those "schools" have brought some excellent andband technically proficient into professional world. Fighters from Russia, Kazakhstan, Ukraine as well as Cuba.
But those fighters have not (aside from the Klitschko's) been persisting champs and loved stars of boxing like the countless Americans and Brits, or even the few Asians like Filipinos.

And even the Klitschko's and others who've hadhhad success had to get 'retrained' by American coaches like Emanuel steward.

Professional boxing has increasingly valued creativity, flair and individuality both for entertainment value and for sheer effectiveness.

Amateur boxing usually shuns those things. And the countries who are very good at amateurs like Cuba and Russia have systems that shuns them too.

 

[4daLuLZ]

They really dont dominate the amateur scene if talking boxing

ex soviet/central asia states give a run of their money

Part of the reason they do well in amateur boxing is because the level of participation in amateur boxing and the scarcity of options for Cubans in leisure and gaining an income.

Wiki; of the 99,000 athletes in Cuba currently, 19,000 are boxers, including 81 of Olympic competence, even though only 12 make the Olympic team.

The Olympics is the only goal of the Cuban govts support of competitive sport. They have around 20,000 boxers all literally duking it out for 12 Olympic spots.
Same goes for wrestling etc.

If professional boxing was allowed in Cuba it would mean that capitalist personal profiteering would be allowed throughout society.

That would allow for a thriving pro boxing scene but it would also mean that lots of people would do things other than sports. And as with every country in the world, pro team sports like soccer would be king and swallow up all the best athletes.

The thriving economy and society in all read would conversely allow for a broader range of Olympic sport participation by athletes who began doing it as a hobby rather than a career for survival. And because the greater amount of money floating around could pay for stuff that is more expensive than gloves and jump rope.
You would have swimmers, skateboarders, cyclists, sailors and all sorts. Just as you do in every other developed capitalist economy.


Back to the boxing. They would probably do just slightly better than they do now.
Much less people would box in Cuba , but boxers would enter pro ranks young if they wish which never happens today.

The Cuban style of boxing , like the Soviet style. Is an excellent "teachable" safe method for amateur boxing. And it is built around scoring in amateur boxing.
Those "schools" have brought some excellent andband technically proficient into professional world. Fighters from Russia, Kazakhstan, Ukraine as well as Cuba.
But those fighters have not (aside from the Klitschko's) been persisting champs and loved stars of boxing like the countless Americans and Brits, or even the few Asians like Filipinos.

And even the Klitschko's and others who've hadhhad success had to get 'retrained' by American coaches like Emanuel steward.

Professional boxing has increasingly valued creativity, flair and individuality both for entertainment value and for sheer effectiveness.

Amateur boxing usually shuns those things. And the countries who are very good at amateurs like Cuba and Russia have systems that shuns them too.

 

[weirdflex]

Wut

Cuba does do well in amateur boxing. It's not dominant but it does "well".

 

[Dexter]

Cubans did bad in the last World Championship. Ex-Soviet Asian republics are on the rise in amateur boxing.

P.S. In Cuba and in Russia amateur boxers of high level (MOS International and above) are basically your western pros, with salaries, bonuses, etc. There is no need to turn pro if you are making your money in the amateurs.

 

[tekkenfan]

Cubans did bad in the last World Championship. Ex-Soviet Asian republics are on the rise in amateur boxing.

P.S. In Cuba and in Russia amateur boxers of high level (MOS International and above) are basically your western pros, with salaries, bonuses, etc. There is no need to turn pro if you are making your money in the amateurs.

guess so but most high pro boxers can promote fights teach after

 

[Dexter]

guess so but most high pro boxers can promote fights teach after

Most pro "amateurs" in Russia after retirement either go coaching root (if they graduate from Sport Institutes as do 90% of them) or use their uni degrees in other disciplines (received over the years of training ) to get normal jobs.

 

[weirdflex]

They may get a basic salary , but it Yoel Romero's descriptions are accurate only the #1 more than #2 and #2 gets more than #3 etc.
And even #1 is a something like a simple college dorm by Western standards and you have to live in the sports facility with all the envious upcoming young blood for your entire career.
They are always watching waiting for you to have a bad day, to destroy you in training and take your spot.

Russia has not been communist USSR for a long time now. So situation there is entirely different. Boxers have every opportunity to go pro if they want.
In Cuba , free enterprise and the inflated salaries of pro sports does not exist.
In every other country the top athletes of the most popular sports are millionaires.
You cannot equate living in a govt dorm and being given food, to making hundreds of thousands of dollars per year (or per fight) and being able to buy anything you want and travel anywhere you want.

 

[Dexter]

They may get a basic salary , but it Yoel Romero's descriptions are accurate only the #1 more than #2 and #2 gets more than #3 etc.
And even #1 is a something like a simple college dorm by Western standards and you have to live in the sports facility with all the envious upcoming young blood for your entire career.
They are always watching waiting for you to have a bad day, to destroy you in training and take your spot.

Russia has not been communist USSR for a long time now. So situation there is entirely different. Boxers have every opportunity to go pro if they want.
In Cuba , free enterprise and the inflated salaries of pro sports does not exist.
In every other country the top athletes of the most popular sports are millionaires.
You cannot equate living in a govt dorm and being given food, to making hundreds of thousands of dollars per year (or per fight) and being able to buy anything you want and travel anywhere you want.

Boxing is not popular in Russia, and pro-boxing is pretty non-existent. Most money-makers are in soccer.

 

[MB5161]

Cubans did better in the Olympics 20 years ago. Now, it is easier for Cubans to come and train in America. At least one of their old Olympic coaches, Jorge Rubio, trains fighters down in Miami.

Some of the best fighters these days are coning out of Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, etc. Beterbiev, Lomachenko, Bivol and Oleksandr Usyk are just about the best there is these days in their weight classes. The current hotspot of Olympic gold medalists has got to be Kazakhstan.

 

[j123]

Boxing is not popular in Russia, and pro-boxing is pretty non-existent. Most money-makers are in soccer.

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[Cole train]

Boxing is not popular in Russia, and pro-boxing is pretty non-existent. Most money-makers are in soccer.

I always lmao when i hear westeners say that combat sports are popular in russia

They dont even break top 10

Not the 90s anymore when every guy had to know how to throw a punch (and shoot a gun lol)

Also yeah central asians are rising heavily in ammy boxing (at least going by AIBA)

 

[Twelvepack]

Cubans did better in the Olympics 20 years ago. Now, it is easier for Cubans to come and train in America. At least one of their old Olympic coaches, Jorge Rubio, trains fighters down in Miami.

Some of the best fighters these days are coning out of Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, etc. Beterbiev, Lomachenko, Bivol and Oleksandr Usyk are just about the best there is these days in their weight classes. The current hotspot of Olympic gold medalists has got to be Kazakhstan.

No he's not. Let's not embellish. He WAS an elite cruiserweight. Now he's a 6'3 midget in the heavyweight division. He's not beating Fury. Probably gets stopped by Wild man and that British robot too