IBJJF Rule savants: Please score this match
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2:00 I felt I had sweep points and 8:10 maybe as well. He turns me into turtle for less than one second before being put on his back. I know a sweep can only be done from guard. I felt in both occasions it was from a mini scramble.
However it also ended in judges decision, so I guess the whole match was meaningful for that.
However it also ended in judges decision, so I guess the whole match was meaningful for that.
I'd have given you (non-colored belt, yes?) a sweep in the beginning. No points in the match other than that - maybe a couple advantages each. Hard to tell on fuzzy video. Assuming that things were even at the end, he should have got the decision. He presented many more threats to you than the other way around.
This.
well, you already know the answer: "I know a sweep can only be done from guard"
To be a sweep, it has to start from the guard.
Not from turtle, not from flipping back on your knees and knee wrestle.
It can consider a continuation of the sweep if you have NOT broken your grips.
In both cases, it was not the case.
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Both instances are not a sweep in IBJJF rules. If your opponent forces you to move to turtle, you are not able to get sweep or takedown points. It doesnt matter how fast the movement is after you turtle. There is no such thing as a scramble in terms of how you score a match.
You need to learn the rules.
A match is not difficult to score.
As a ref, I just do not understand why so many competitors do not understand the rules of the sport they want to compete in.
Maybe it is just easier to blame the ref, I guess.
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For clarity:
If I start in half guard, my opponent clears my legs, but I scramble out and knee-wrestle the guy down within three seconds that's a sweep because the exchange began in my guard and he didn't stabilize the pass, correct? If the same thing happened and I transition through turtle it doesn't count because turtle registers as a "new position" instantly, and, not qualifying as a guard, is one from which it is impossible to "sweep"?
I'm just trying to straighten out the vagaries of when you do and don't need a three-second count.
This was my issue as well.
I will often go to turtle from inverted guard and attempt a blast double or single. In this case it was "knee wrestling" because the guy didn't bother to defend. Should I just forgo this technique?
As far as I'm understanding in my situation, the guy gets reverted and should earn an advantage for "forcing" my turtle for a split second? This doesn't make sense to me without the 3 second rule.
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There's no rule that there has to be either a stabilised pass or a sweep, it's very often neither. The movement didn't necessarily "start from guard" just because he hadn't stabilised a pass for three seconds. If he stabilises a pass for one second and I then reverse him from under side-control that's an advantage for him and nothing for me.
P.S. Not claiming this makes any sense, it's entirely stupid and counter-productive IMO.
P.S. Not claiming this makes any sense, it's entirely stupid and counter-productive IMO.
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100% agree with Lechien on scoring those 2 sweeps. Definitely no sweep points.
Regarding the sweep points from halfguard via going to your knees, I only score that when you do not change your grips and it is a fluent situation, meaning he cannot fully stabilize his turtle.
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The question is, where does the sweep start, meaning the actual technique that breaks the opponent balance and tips him over. In your case, it is you grabbing his hip/ hugging him and then pushing into him. That grip starts when you are on your knees. At that point it is a new situation and it does not even matter that you played guard before.
It is not even debatable.
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Most of the scoring situations are clear.
But there are a ton of corner cases because the rule book sucks.
A lot of the things are not defined in the rule book itself and it looks like it was created by just piling rules and not trying to create a clear rule set.
Well, in training (and some competitions as well) I will often go from inverted guard to knee wrestling in pursuit of a single or double leg intentionally. I do have to break grips for that though...
I guess that I should just stop using this tecnique, even if I think it should be a valid way to flip my opponent.
