I wish we could’ve seen Franklin vs Bisping

[grimballer]

Wtf are you talking about?

You posted a bunch of paragraphs and proved nothing.

We are talking about opponents who they both fought.

What in gods name are you talking about?

They both also fought Cung le and Bisping Tool’d him and finished him in brutal fashion. Rich got Ko’d.

Just stop you suck at this.

How’s that related to gsp vs Irvin again?

 

[Spookv]

Bisping beat Anderson post USADA
Rich lost to Anderson pre USADA

BIG difference

Yea big difference, what makes you think Franklin is a saint and wasn't on the same supplements as everyone else during that time?

Pre USADA everyone was on steroids.

 

[grimballer]

They both fought Le at the same point in his career and theirs (past their prime age wise) Bisping completely took apart Cung and Rich got sent to sleepy land. Keep in mind Bisping beat Silva with one fucking eye as well.

But hey dont let facts get in the way of your sad little narrative.

So you got one example of bisping Doing better vs common opponent n now think it negates all times Franklin did better than bisping vs common opponents?

The fact that you gotta reach for bisping “win” over 40 year old past his prime Anderson pretty much says it all.

So again Franklin ko hamill, bisping was gifted a uk decision

Franklin arguably beat hendo, bisping got stiffen

Franklin beat past wand twice, bisping lost

Now if you think bisping beating le n past his prime 40 year old Anderson is nuff for you to consider bisping > Franklin

good for you!

however it just lets everybody know you’re a clueless buffoon

 

[pankrat]

You're ignoring a fair bit of context here. Hendo was still just a GR wrestler when he fought Kondo and Misaki.

this is just false, far from just a GR wrestler lol. By that time Hendo was bombing his hands on Bustamante, Chonan or Gono, among others who were somehow able to take it. Misaki or Kondo were great fighters.
He got dominated by a WW in Shields just a year afte he beat Franklin if you ask for context.

Not even the same fighter.

xD

 

[spannered]

I agree with a lot of this.

Firstly, I think prime Bisping would win a decision because his output is simply higher and I believe he has better boxing.

However, like you said, I’d rich were groomed for today’s mma climate, it might be a different story. In fact, rich was a pioneer of sorts when it came to diligently learning each craft and almost NEVER getting tired. Rich Franklin, for his era, was better than Bisping was to his era. But from an absolute perspective, I have Bisping winning a Decision, prime for prime. That fight potentially has 50/50 written all over it.

Agree with all this except I think Ace had the better boxing. Bisping was always a straight puncher with the odd wild overhand that has given him great success in the past (Rockhold and Anderson). Ace was, and might still be, the most unorthodox and successful striker given his time in the sun. He laid out the best MWs and LHWs of his time with weird punches.

Bisping is the more well rounded striker, uses his knees fantastically when given the chance and has decent kicks. He just doesn't have the natural power that Ace had in his hands or where they came from - something Bisping has struggled with against unorthodox strikers at times. Neither gas. Both engage.

It's a damn shame this fight never took place. I'd give the edge to Franklin based on his ability to catch chins with rocket power, but it would be a close fight fight nonetheless.

 

[grimballer]

Not at all. Bring some example of it. Nobody get cut for losing to Kennedy, much less Luke. Leites and Dollaway were both top10 ranked, who are u calleing journeyman, after your assesment on Loiseau lol. At this point I have to say you are retard

he got dominated by both guys n then had close fight with career journeymen in cb n leites.

Jon Fitch got let go for less than that.

funny h how now both leites n cb are legit fighters, but loiseau sucks...

you’re in no position to call anybody a retard after that, but I guess that’s what low iq individuals do when they see their weak arguments get destroyed.

 

[pankrat]

Name a fight where Franklin was schooled on the ground.

Okami pretty much, who is Franklin's best win at 185 by the way
Silva manhandled him like a ragdoll from the clinch not once but twice

Both Okami and Silva who by the way were fighting at WW just some months before fighting Franklin.

He was extremely dominant and only really lost convincingly to Anderson during his prime.
They even made a new division for him because he was taking out contenders at MW after losing to Anderson twice.

Dominant by 2004-2005 UFC standards at 185. Franklin got KOed by Silva, Belfort and Machida.

They even made a new division for him because he was taking out contenders at MW after losing to Anderson twice.

Do you realize how ridiculous it is that you swallowed this?
Franklin's best wins at 185 are Okami by close dec, Tanner and Loiseau, who were far from new blood.
He was not taking out the emerging MW contenders Marquardt, Sonnen or Maia, let alone Jacare or Kennedy who werent even in UFC.
haha you honestly believed that shit of "we need to make a new division because"...wtf

Also, saying Franklin had better wrestling but Bisping had the better TTD is completely contradictory considering one is actually a massive component of the other.

Agree, lot of stupidy in this thread starting by TS xD

 

[spannered]

this is just false, far from just a GR wrestler lol. By that time Hendo was bombing his hands on Bustamante, Chonan or Gono, among others who were somehow able to take it. Misaki or Kondo were great fighters.
He got dominated by a WW in Shields just a year afte he beat Franklin if you ask for context.



xD

I never said they weren't great fighters. Did you actually watch Hendo's earlier fights? Especially with those two? Or did you just scour fight finder to form your opinion?

And the Shields fight was in Strikeforce....just a few months after the Franklin fight, and Shields was a wrestling machine at that point who gave Hendo no breathing room. Hendo KOd Fedor shortly after, but it's not convenient to bring that up, right?

If you're saying the Hendo fight didn't prove Ace was a fantastic fighter, you're wrong.

 

[pankrat]

I never said they weren't great fighters. Did you actually watch Hendo's earlier fights? Especially with those two? Or did you just scour fight finder to form your opinion?

And the Shields fight was in Strikeforce....just a few months after the Franklin fight, and Shields was a wrestling machine at that point who gave Hendo no breathing room. Hendo KOd Fedor shortly after, but it's not convenient to bring that up, right?

I watched his Pride fights. Did you? Watched his fight with Bustamante, You think Bustamate was an easy guy to take out?
Shields beat him and it wasnt in his "early career".

I place Henderson as the 2nd best MW ever behind Silva actually. But he was beatable not just for the very best. Misaki, Kondo or Shields beat Henderson and arent necesarily better than Bisping because of it

If you're saying the Hendo fight didn't prove Ace was a fantastic fighter, you're wrong.

In your first reply to me, I say he is and that its actually the best performance of Franklin's career even in the loss, imo.
So why do you ask that

 

[pankrat]

he got dominated by both guys n then had close fight with career journeymen in cb n leites.

Jon Fitch got let go for less than that.
.

weak af
you need to rely on Jon Fitch to prove why Bisping wasnt cut for being protected. Who else? Okami, Shieds, any other grinder? Top ten guys dont normally get cut, much less strikers
You dont even try

he got dominated by both guys n then had close fight with career journeymen in cb n leites.

funny h how now both leites n cb are legit fighters, but loiseau sucks...

Didnt say Loiseau sucks, he is just not top contender material, certainly not more than Leites or Dollaway, who you call journeyman but would be favoured to outgrapple Loiseau, even in his "prime", which basically lasted the day he beat Tanner opening a cut with an elbow. Who is Loisaeu's best win beside that you say?

you’re in no position to call anybody a retard after that, but I guess that’s what low iq individuals do when they see their weak arguments get destroyed.

you destroy nothing nerd

 

[grimballer]

If that's all you got, even worse than expected from you

Loiseau would not get any title shot in UFC MW division during 2008-2016.
Not even gatekeeper status. Kang, Miller, Akiyama or Belcher all would be favourites vs Loiseau.

N yet bisping wasn’t able to get a title shot prior to 2016...

You dont even know how good Bustamante was, you needed to look into his fight finder lol.

yeah, cause your opinion > facts

And with strikers as Swick and Rivera lol, let alone Franklin even with one han

bunch of tds....

You didnt actually watched the fights you described. Sonnen vs Bisping, Leites vs Bisping and Okami vs Franklin are all close fights. Overall you seem pretty clueless honestly, imo

Regardless how you try to spin it

close fight bisping won were much closer

than

close fights he lost

 

[Chart69r]

Depends, are we talking Prime Vs Prime, or are we talking Franklin with the belt vs Ping at the same time, or are we talking Ping with the belt vs Franklin.

Alters the fight significantly.

 

[grimballer]

weak af
you need to rely on Jon Fitch to prove why Bisping wasnt cut for being protected. Who else? Okami, Shieds, any other grinder? Top ten guys dont normally get cut, much less strikers
You dont even try

So You literally ask for examples of when this happens where a fighter gets cut after a loss n when I give an example you complain about the example?

You can’t make this stuff up.

stop embarrassing yourself kid

Didnt say Loiseau sucks, he is just not top contender material, certainly not more than Leites or Dollaway, who you call journeyman but would be favoured to outgrapple Loiseau, even in his "prime", which basically lasted the day he beat Tanner opening a cut with an elbow. Who is Loisaeu's best win beside that you say?

He was top contender when it mattered. So again you can question his top wins, but then same can be said for any top fighter at that time. Most of them had one quality win n were in top 10.

You can’t on one hand criticize loiseau n his lack of top wins, but then not use same standard for someone like Bustamante.

you destroy nothing nerd

It’s obvious at this point you’re just a clown.

All your arguments are weak n not well thought out n thsts why you’re so frustrated.

next time you do this be better prepared n you might not look like such a jackass

 

[Swarthy]

Gimballer is bad so cery bad

 

[grimballer]

This further shows how dumb this guy is.

hes asked to name a fight where Franklin was schoold on the ground n he answers with this:

Okami pretty much, who is Franklin's best win at 185 by the way
Silva manhandled him like a ragdoll from the clinch not once but twice

Both Okami and Silva who by the way were fighting at WW just some months before fighting Franklin.

Like literally everything in that post is wrong.

1st why bring up losses to Anderson when the guy asks you for examples rich got schooled on the ground?

2nd How’s okami rich top win when he beat ufc champ n by default top mw in the world at that time?

3rd rich was never submitted in 37 pro fights n never really manhandled by a grappler. Same can’t be said for bisping.

4th what you mean by:

“Oksmi n Silva were fighting at ww just some months before”?

You mean over a year?

So in other words 2 guys who are exclusively mw at that time n only fought at 170 for that one tournament are now “ww”?

Great logic!

Dominant by 2004-2005 UFC standards at 185. Franklin got KOed by Silva, Belfort and Machida.

Wow! He faced n lost vs some of the greats in the sport n in their prime! N most weren’t even at 185.

Around same time bisping was busy beating Chris leben n denis Kangs of the world!

Totally the same thing!

Do you realize how ridiculous it is that you swallowed this?
Franklin's best wins at 185 are Okami by close dec, Tanner and Loiseau, who were far from new blood.
He was not taking out the emerging MW contenders Marquardt, Sonnen or Maia, let alone Jacare or Kennedy who werent even in UFC.
haha you honestly believed that shit of "we need to make a new division because"...wtf

Hes actually right.

rich got beat by Anderson twice n was pretty much done in that division. He wasn’t gonna get another title shot as long as Anderson was the champ.

He wasn’t gonna move up either so ufc used him for all those guys trying to drop down from 205 n face him at 195.

Agree, lot of stupidy in this thread starting by TS xD

agree there’s a lot of stupidity

mostly by you n sweaty.

 

[pankrat]

N yet bisping wasn’t able to get a title shot prior to 2016...



yeah, cause your opinion > facts




bunch of tds....

lol you dont even ask being able of stopping Swicks or Rivera's TDs to be sonbut Bisping should get past Henderon

Regardless how you try to spin it

close fight bisping won were much closer

than

close fights he lost

So You literally ask for examples of when this happens where a fighter gets cut after a loss n when I give an example you complain about the example?

You can’t make this stuff up.

stop embarrassing yourself kid



He was top contender when it mattered. So again you can question his top wins, but then same can be said for any top fighter at that time. Most of them had one quality win n were in top 10.

You can’t on one hand criticize loiseau n his lack of top wins, but then not use same standard for someone like Bustamante.




It’s obvious at this point you’re just a clown.

All your arguments are weak n not well thought out n thsts why you’re so frustrated.

next time you do this be better prepared n you might not look like such a jackass

You don't even know Bustamante was much better fighter than Loiseau. How clueless you are.

 

[grimballer]

You don't even know Bustamante was much better fighter than Loiseau. How clueless you are.

instead of using your limited uninformed opinions, try arguing with facts

what made bustamate so “much better” than loiseau around 2005/2006?

Bustamate left ufc around 2003 fought as lhw (pride mw) n lost 3 straight

then dropped to mw (pride ww) beat lw in Sakurai

entered pride ww gp n beat Suda n Minowa (both guys far from being top mw at that time)

then lost to hendo in the finals

N after that lost to Suloev (suloev only top win)

So again nobody’s saying that he wasn’t arguably better fighter, but what made him so much better around that time?

after leaving ufc in 2003 bustamate had no top wins at mw, while loiseau was on a 5 fight win streak n beat top guy in tanner who just lost his title.

 

[pankrat]

instead of using your limited uninformed opinions, try arguing with facts

what made bustamate so “much better” than loiseau around 2005/2006?

Bustamate left ufc around 2003 fought as lhw (pride mw) n lost 3 straight

then dropped to mw (pride ww) beat lw in Sakurai

entered pride ww gp n beat Suda n Minowa (both guys far from being top mw at that time)

then lost to hendo in the finals

N after that lost to Suloev (suloev only top win)

So again nobody’s saying that he wasn’t arguably better fighter, but what made him so much better around that time?

after leaving ufc in 2003 bustamate had no top wins at mw, while loiseau was on a 5 fight win streak n beat top guy in tanner who just lost his title.

so ignorant
If you actually wacthed them fight, instead of fight finder check, you would know.
Regarding facts...Bustamante went to Pride for better money...Loiseau would not get such offer. He didnt value that much. Again you would know if you had a clue.
By the way Bustamante was in his late 30s by then. Still much better than Loiseau in his athletci prime.

 

[grimballer]

so ignorant
If you actually wacthed them fight, instead of fight finder check, you would know.
Regarding facts...Bustamante went to Pride for better money...Loiseau would not get such offer. He didnt value that much. Again you would know if you had a clue.
By the way Bustamante was in his late 30s by then. Still much better than Loiseau in his athletci prime.

so in other words you got nothing n are just talking out of your ass? Cool, Thanks for playing!

Also you can’t use how much money someone gets as a measuring stick.

some fighters have more name recognition than others n will get more money.

If we strictly go by performance, loiseau did better than bustamate around 2005/2006 n that’s what we’re talking about here

 

[pankrat]

so in other words you got nothing n are just talking out of your ass? Cool, Thanks for playing!

Also you can’t use how much money someone gets as a measuring stick.

some fighters have more name recognition than others n will get more money.

If we strictly go by performance, loiseau did better than bustamate around 2005/2006 n that’s what we’re talking about here

Bustamante's close fights with Henderson and Suloev alone shows a better fighter then Loiseau ever was. Bring the fight finder stat you wish, you wont find any knowledgeable fan who dont rate Bustamante way, way higher than Loiseau. Spend less time in the forum splitting nonsense and educate yourself