I watched all of Crocop's fights in chronological order in the last 2 weeks...

Very well put way of saying he fought a lot of Japanese cans...

You made too many generalizations to have watched the fights one by one. Take notes next time.

Yep. The differences in his ability are night and day. Especially he would actually watch the kickboxing matches from the 90's. He was tough and lightning fast. People just don't remember or more than likely didn't see them.
 
That was his brother Michael....Mirko never fought in the UFC. :icon_neut:icon_sad:

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Cro Cop almost killed Hunt when they fought in K-1 and in MMA he fought Mark with wrestling shoes on because he had a broken foot. It wasn't the same, Mirko had fought 4 times that year already and Mark edged him out on the feet. Also, that Mark was much more closer to his physical prime compared to the Mark Hunt of 2013 that broke his toe in the first round against JDS.

And as for Fedor, well, Fedor had one of the best striking games MMA had ever seen and put on an utterly masterful performance against Mirko, you can't really hold that against him when making a case for why JDS would beat a prime Mirko Cro Cop because JDS and Fedor are completely different fighters with vastly differing skillsets.

Well said, also back then who the hell didn't have a tough time striking with Fedor and Hunt, they were freakin beasts. I would pick Prime Cro Cop over Prime JDS everytime, especially since as an old warn down Cro Cop(with almost no kicking game) repeatedly tagged JDS with his straight left, if he was in his prime and had his full arsenal he would have TKOed/KOed JDS.
 
I don't know why we all look for excuses... but look at Crocop's contemporaries during the period of his UFC run.

Sakuraba: beaten on.
Liddell: Wind knocks him out.
Fedor: Begins to lose.
Arlovski: Liddelled.
Rampage: shadow of former self.
Wandy: Plastic surgery and 185lbs.
Shogun: Championship, but no knees.
Hughes: Fades and retires.

Crocop's era was over. It happens to all the best.

so obvious, yet apparently so hard for many to grasp
 
Doesn't that same consensus apply even today to guys like JDS and Anderson until his loss to Weidman? By the time Cro Cop burst onto the scene the era of one-dimensional specialists as elite fighters had already ended.

JDS we at least know he is a longtime member of a team who has him prepared,they are training it all the time,and hell no not anderson,he def knows what he is doing on the ground.
 
I think its a combination of age and wear n tear.
It wasnt competition. He fought Fedor for fucksake. Cro cop never looked great in the ufc even when he fought guys like Sanchez and Perosh.
He hung in with frank mir and was arguably winning the fight before the KO.
Also, he fought Barnett in the infamous "no drug testing" PRIDE
 
Cro Cop was a really good fighter that never made it to greatness. He lost to both Nog and Fedor in Pride and was even knocked out cold by Randleman. An argument can be made that his best wins are Herring, Igor, and Barnett.
 
Nowadays he has nothing to do hanging with the elite of the sport. Not and old and washed up Crocop or even an faster and violent prime Crocop.

Prime Mirko was similar to JDS, but better than him. Two strikers with tdd.

Today JDS and Cain in Pride wouldn't look all that much like they do now.

Prime Mirko would tear JDS apart.

Prime CC is no different than jds just more dangerous. Just a striker with good tdd not very ground breaking man. You act like its obsolete or something.

Indeed.
 
Prime Mirko was similar to JDS, but better than him. Two strikers with tdd.

Today JDS and Cain in Pride wouldn't look all that much like they do now.

Prime Mirko would tear JDS apart.



Indeed.

Dumbest comment Ive read in a month.
Cro Cop was a product of the PRIDE hype machine, he was a fraud.
Whenever anyone brings up Cro Cop all I can think of is that Sonnen interview where he says "What happened to your legs Mirko?"
 
"Prime Crocop in Pride weighed 213 pounds" Ummmm, what?

In basically all Pride fights in which Crocop's weight was shown, it said "213 pounds", I went back and in one of his early fights against Alberto del Rio (Dos Caras Jr.), it said surprisingly 227 pounds. But in later fights it said 213 pounds. I have screenshots here-underneath you see what the body looked like in those 2 fights. Body looks pretty much the same so I guess Pride didn't show his correct weight or they didn't know it. It is hard to tell but he looks more like 227 than 213 pounds. Here are the pictures:
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Dumbest comment Ive read in a month.
Cro Cop was a product of the PRIDE hype machine, he was a fraud.
Whenever anyone brings up Cro Cop all I can think of is that Sonnen interview where he says "What happened to your legs Mirko?"

Prime cro cop got ko'ed by randleman and Gonzaga


Yet he would destroy JDS. Sherdog makes me laugh so much sometimes
 
i wonder if Michael Jordan was called a shit player by his "suposed fans"because his run on the Wizards was not comparable with his run on the Bulls...
as time pass,things change.
and Igor Vovchanchyn a defensive kickboxer???
 
Ali lost to Larry Holmes, so he must have only fought cans before him. Yawn.

Heavily biased thread, TS. CroCop had 40 professional mma fights, of which only 12 were against Japanese fighters.

By the time he entered the UFC for the first time, he had nearly 30 fights under his belt. JDS still only has 18 fights. Let me get back to you when JDS has 12 more fights - which would make around 6 years at this pace, and see how he is doing against younger fighters. By then, everybody will claim he was only fighting cans, since the young generation wont have a clue who Hunto, Mir, Carwin and CroCop were.
 
Dumbest comment Ive read in a month.
Cro Cop was a product of the PRIDE hype machine, he was a fraud.
Whenever anyone brings up Cro Cop all I can think of is that Sonnen interview where he says "What happened to your legs Mirko?"

White Belt, the belt is not supposed to be tied around your brain
 
Mirko isn't the same fighter. Even in winning his recent "K-1 title" he looked horrible. Even the few fights he won in the UFC made him look bad.

Look at his fights in early K-1 / Pride. He was an animal then.
 
Prime Mirko was similar to JDS, but better than him. Two strikers with tdd.

Today JDS and Cain in Pride wouldn't look all that much like they do now.

Prime Mirko would tear JDS apart.



Indeed.

This exactly. Mirko was a shadow of his old self when he fought JDS, yet still managed to bloody up JDS.

Mirko does not have the chin JDS has, but in his prime his technique would've gone beyond making up for it.
 
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