I watched all of Crocop's fights in chronological order in the last 2 weeks...

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  1. HHJ

    HHJ Jeg reiser til mørkets dyp der alt er dødt.

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    mirko was the sprawl and brawl dude. he was so good he didnt need a groundgame until nogueira got him,and even then his standup was good enough that he used it to stop most of his opponents. in his prime he was that guy you took to the ground if you wanted to have a chance,bottom line.
     
  2. MiroHa

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    Cro Cop was a top fighter less than ten years ago, not almost hundred years ago like Babe Ruth.
     
  3. HHJ

    HHJ Jeg reiser til mørkets dyp der alt er dødt.

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    its a young sport and evolving quite quickly,when mirko first burst onto the mma scene,the general consensus is if you cant take this guy down your fucked.
     
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    I have an insight that is commonly missed by people to explain WHY Cro-Cop could not compete in the UFC as well as he did in Pride. It was previously mentioned that before the Open Weight GP that he was thinking of retiring. That is true but there are reasons and if you read or watch ANY of Cro-Cop's old interviews about fighting in general he mentions his numerous injuries.

    Aside from some other fighters having difficulties adjusting from a ring to a cage and the various cutoffs and positions that you can pull in a cage as opposed to a ring and vice versa was the fact that Cro-Cop came into the UFC injured. It was mentioned during an interview that he had injured his foot sometime before the Fedor fight.

    Now imagine for a minute, you are a striking centered fighter, the finishing move you use is bouncing your lower ankle to foot off some ones head as hard as you can and usually finishing them or injuring them or yourself that way. Now imagine a fight career that goes all the way back to K-1 in 1996 and the NUMEROUS kicks he gave, punches, aside from injuries inflicted on HIM by other fighters as well as training accidents too. That takes a MASSIVE physical toll on a fighter, let alone the surgeries getting older plus the healing time required afterwards.

    I really think a lot of fans do not think of these things and just rip on fighters as well as fans of fighters for so called "nut-hugging" or "hating" when it really comes down to it as 2 guys in a ring or a cage, brutally beating the shit out of each other, ( For our enjoyment as well as to make money and a warrior mentality.) sometimes not and the lengthy career plus the amount of fights and training injuries these guys have. It was an interview ( That I cannot find but it was a POST Fedor fight ) that Cro-Cop finally explains his foot injury before the fight and not wanting to pull out. I've read and watched interviews about Pride matchmaking and as evidenced by the Yakuza involvement in the organization. That and some of these fighters fought numerous times in one year, not the 1-3 fights we see from fighters now.

    Part of it due to wanting to fight Fedor to what some might say just a fighters mentality. He did not want to quit and give up. Cro-Cop should be respected for his accomplishments, but these days people seem to want to tear some ones accomplishments down because they seemingly did not meet the fans EXPECTATIONS.
     
  5. MiroHa

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    Doesn't that same consensus apply even today to guys like JDS and Anderson until his loss to Weidman? By the time Cro Cop burst onto the scene the era of one-dimensional specialists as elite fighters had already ended.
     
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    You say Hunt as if it's a bad thing, lol.
     
  7. jerbson

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    Agree with this completely. Wins over Heath Herring, Igor Vovchanchyn, Kevin Randleman, Alexander Emelianenko, Josh Barnett, Mark Coleman, and Wanderlei Silva at the time were really impressive. It's easy to think all the guys from the previous era aren't as good as todays top HW's because of the "progression of the sport":rolleyes:, but I honestly believe the HW division during that era was better than the current one.
     
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    If you don't think 2006 Mirko would have absolutely kicked the crap out of guys like Gonzaga, Kongo, Mir, Schaub, etc. then you have no eye for MMA skill and should probably stop watching.

    Heath, Barnett, Sapp, Randleman, Alex....ya, they were tiny and a bunch of cans.
     
  9. Unbreakabull

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    In the UFC he lost to Mir, JDS, Schaub, Nelson, Gonzaga and maybe one other-(Kongo?) Not a bad loss column, considering when he lost to Schaub he was at the end of his career and that was right after the Mir debacle. But even including Schaub, who knows where that dude even ends up in a year or two, CroCop's losses aren't cringeworthy, similar to Hunt's.

    After back and forth HW fights for 35 or 40 fights, not including K-1, dude did pretty great work. Let's see where Cain is when he has 30 professional fights and then we can talk about how HW's used to stay viable for 12-15 years and 35-50 fights. Cain won't stay dominant for even two more years, much less 20 more fights and years into the future.
     
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    To be fair though, 2007 Cro Cop did fight some of those guys and did lose.
     
  11. MiroHa

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    There was a pretty big difference between the OWGP Mirko and Mirko who fought Eddie Sanchez and Gonzaga and it's hard to believe it was just because of the move from ring to cage.
     
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    I think he could have beaten those guys no question......but i can still see a guy like Kongo or Mir beating Cro Cop as well. I dont think that Cro Cop is a lock against them...I would favor him over Mir still.
     
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    I dont know........with the way the UFC is bringing in new HW talent......Cain might be on top for a while....same with JDS. The recent wave of HW's that has come in....all....well they're not very good.
     
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    Good point. The two years thing may be a tad bit over the line, but again, let's see how JDS, Cain and others fair when they have 30 fights under their belt.
     
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    he just didn't know how to fight in the octagon, that's the main reason
     
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    Crocop was amazing back in the day. He was the solid #2 HW at the time.

    Nowadays he has nothing to do hanging with the elite of the sport. Not and old and washed up Crocop or even an faster and violent prime Crocop.

    The sport has evolved thanks to guys like him who were great and served as experiment of mixed martial artists. The most skilled fighters have a lot of reasons to thank him and the rest of that generation.
     
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    Crocop would beat jds in 02
     
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    Prime CC is no different than jds just more dangerous. Just a striker with good tdd not very ground breaking man. You act like its obsolete or something.
     
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    Not to sound like a dick, but if you think Igor is a one dimensional striker, you should learn a little more about kickboxing. Or take a class.

    You have also failed to mention any of his K-1 fights where he was evenly matched and sometimes the smaller of the two fighters.

    I'm very suspect that you've watched all his fights, and if you did, you need to learn more about the intricacies of striking; Which Cro-Cop was amazing at, his legions of grippy nuthuggers in both MMA and Kickboxing attest to that.

    Also you didn't mention the Fedor fight .... pretty evenly matched weight wise, and VERY fucking well rounded.

    I attest his decline to him being in the Croatian parliament and having more outside interests than MMA or KB. You can see a direct correlation to when he started losing, and when he started working more in the Croatian gov.

    It happens, he's human.
     
  20. sprucelees

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    CC was already close to retiring during the OWGP, and if you compare his road with Barnett's you would be insane to not think Barnett's was much tougher.
     

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