i want your opinions on this (boxing vs mma)

[LangfordBarrow]

Every time a belt switches hands in the UFC, a new GOAT is born. The fans are ridiculous. Seriously, how many active guys have been called the "GOAT" of their weight class in the last year by at least a handful of people in the heavies?

Mighty Mouse, Cruz, Jones, Aldo, Conor, Wedum, Miocic, McGregor, Dos Anjos, Silva, Cain, Fedor, GSP...did I miss any? Probably several, honestly.

For some reason, they are obsessed with believing that everybody is a magical talent as soon as they experience some success. The problem with that, is that when that magical talent inevitably gets knocked out, it exposes how overrated so many of these guys are.

It's not just silly fans either. Joe Rogan, the unofficial UFC spokesperson, says the same crazy stuff.

MMA fans need to just wait. Give your sport time to develop real great fighters. Saying that everybody is great cheapens what it means to be great.

Yeah but come on those guys are newbs or supporting their guy. And half the guys on your list can debatably be the GOAT.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Fuck off rookie, get your English tight before you come at me. It was a shitty thread subject that's been overdone by can trollers way better than you. The only reason people came back was because it actually got a response after half a day sitting dormant.....From me.

Sit back dude and enjoy the masterpiece of a good forum community holding up a thread that was almost wastelanded due to an incoherently written and stupidly contrived subject.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Speaking of, has that Ms Cyborg vs Rousey fight been signed yet? No? Well then add that as another high profile fight that MMA fans have been clamouring for years now that has yet to take place.

The recency of the merger with Strikeforce also shows that this business of the UFC having most of the best fighters in the world under one roof as being a new phenomenon. Up until only a few years ago there was always a very strong #2 to the UFC (or to Pride when they were tops last decade). MMA fans lost out on a ton of big fights during those years too, as the top promotion would typically frown upon any cross promotion events with their rival promotions.

That fight should have been made long ago. The UFC looking to hype and protect RR, Cyborg failing a drug test and as much as I disagree with it Cyborg gets a lot of hate for not being very attractive.

 

[PUO3]

It doesn't sound like you watch much MMA. Ronda and Conor are not the UFC's top fighters just their top sellers.

This is ridiculously untrue. They were the biggest hype jobs in MMA history along with Brock.

 

[PUO3]

That's where you have to call bullshit on guys that cherry pick and worry about their record more than testing themselves to the limit. Are you trying to tell me RDA isn't great because he lost to Alvarez? It's not like in boxing that you can take a knee or just get on your bike or clinch to survive.

Oh you cant just put a knee or a hand on the mat? People dont literally turn and run? Folks dont stall against the cage?

Come on.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

This is ridiculously untrue. They were the biggest hype jobs in MMA history along with Brock.

Those guys were the big money makers but not the best fighters. I agree they were hype jobs.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Oh you cant just put a knee or a hand on the mat? People dont literally turn and run? Folks dont stall against the cage?

Come on.

Yes, you can put a hand on the ground to avoid kicks to the head, but you don't get a break and point deduction like in boxing. There are stalling tactics but not really the same as in boxing. Guys get dropped in MMA and immediately their opponent is punching or elbowing them, no chance to recover, no standing 8 count.

 

[PUO3]

Those guys were the big money makers but not the best fighters. I agree they were hype jobs.

They were wildly regarded as the best fighters. How anyone can say they werent is truly beyond me.

 

[PUO3]

Yes, you can put a hand on the ground to avoid kicks to the head, but you don't get a break and point deduction like in boxing. There are stalling tactics but not really the same as in boxing. Guys get dropped in MMA and immediately their opponent is punching or elbowing them, no chance to recover, no standing 8 count.

Apples to oranges.

If you were allowed to follow your opponent to the ground after a KD it would no longer be boxing.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

They were wildly regarded as the best fighters. How anyone can say they werent is truly beyond me.

That's why I asked if you watch much MMA. Widely regarded by whom? If you're just going by popularity then ok but that's not the same thing as being the most skillful. RR probably had the most regard in terms of being thought a technically great fighter, and she is, but she just wasn't well rounded enough and had a lousy mindset and game plan heading into the Holm fight.

 

[PUO3]

That's why I asked if you watch much MMA. Widely regarded by whom? If you're just going by popularity then ok but that's not the same thing as being the most skillful. RR probably had the most regard in terms of being thought a technically great fighter, and she is, but she just wasn't well rounded enough and had a lousy mindset and game plan heading into the Holm fight.

Its literally laughable to question what I watch. Rousey started wrecking people on the feet too, remember?

McGregor walking through Aldo?

Yes, they were widely regarded as the best, Ronda especially. Check the odds on the Holm fight if you need to. She was sitting around -1500 lol. Vegas doesnt go by popularity.

 

[nac386]

Yes, they were widely regarded as the best, Ronda especially. Check the odds on the Holm fight if you need to. She was sitting around -1500 lol. Vegas doesnt go by popularity.

They kinda do. Odds are created to get play on both sides. If public perception is that someone is invincible (even if experts recognize that person is vulnerable) then the odds have to reflect that aspect of public opinion.

 

[PUO3]

They kinda do. Odds are created to get play on both sides. If public perception is that someone is invincible (even if experts recognize that person is vulnerable) then the odds have to reflect that aspect of public opinion.

No they dont.

If they did theyd lose their asses.

 

[nac386]

No they dont.

Yes they do.

 

[PUO3]

Sorry, no. Vegas doesnt follow hype.

 

[nac386]

Sorry, no. Vegas doesnt follow hype.

Yes they do. Hype is a major factor in determining how people place bets. It's all created to make money. If you ignore how and why people bet, you are setting yourself up to lose money.

The decision is curious given the overwhelming nature of Holm's victory as well as the record financial losses sportsbooks suffered in Las Vegas as a result of the heavy odds on Rousey on Saturday. That said, oddsmakers often set lines to induce betting action from customers.

"It is no secret that Rousey losing over the weekend was bad for the book, but for us was devastating. With Holm as high as 9-1 earlier in the week and closing at just over 5-1, we got slammed at every price making it our worst MMA result of all time and essentially wiping out what would have been a good NFL Sunday. For comparison sake, Pacquaio beating De La Hoya when he was an underdog was our worst boxing loss ever and the losses for the Rousey fight were triple that," said Kevin Bradley, Sports Book Manager, Bovada.lv, via press release.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/11/...betting-favorite-over-holly-holm-in-potential


I do not gamble. But this was all explained to me at a young age by my grandfather (Jersey family, worked in Atlantic City for 30 years), and I'm always amazed that people who gamble quite a bit do not really understand how the odds are created. I had this discussion with someone else on here one time, I think it was JayElectra.

Odds are not simply a reflection of who is likely to win. It's not even a secret, it's openly discussed as the way that odds are created.

 

[PUO3]

Youre right. They win absurdly high percentages of times because they put the money on hype jobs.... Got it.

 

[nac386]

Pretending not to understand by being sarcastic is not a good look.

It’s a tough job to account for all the variables in any event. If you take the chance of Manchester United winning at home for example the trader has to account for the form of the teams, injuries to key players, influence of the crowd, the referee and many others.

In addition to the chances of a team winning, they have to account for the money that is likely to be placed. In the Manchester United example, most people would back the Red Devils to to win at Old Trafford and therefore the odds will be shorter than perhaps the precise chances of victory.

They win most of the time because they take everything into account when they create the odds.

 

[Queen B]

Well UFC hype jobs work especially When Conor and Ronda won best fighter of the year by popular votes back to back

 

[PUO3]

Pretending not to understand by being sarcastic is not a good look.



They win most of the time because they take everything into account when they create the odds.

Except for hype.