1. The official Sherdog Store is back! Check it out! » Discuss it here! »

I think people underestimate small fighters' body mass and power

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by Venom, Jul 27, 2021.

  1. Venom Lurker since '09

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2016
    Messages:
    13,164
    Likes Received:
    778
    Location:
    United States
    Sorry I know every few years the topic of "could a big regular guy beat the small MMA fighters" comes up.
    Generally we've always accepted a few key points:
    • Size can overcome skill at some point
    • Most people simply don't have enough of it to seriously challenge professional FLW and BW fighters
    • For the sake of the discussion let's exclude female fighters
    This excellent post by Seaside a couple years back briefly goes over the average body types in the UFC by division. There comes a point where a fighter's "frame", determined by bone size and skeletal structure, sort of plateaus at the higher divisions. This is what allowed Vitor Belfort, Wanderlei Silva, Rampage, etc to jump from 185 to 205 to even heavyweight.

    Now most UFC bantamweights weigh in the ballpark of 150-160 lbs. While this is well below average weight in the developed West, I don't think this is as insignificant as the meathead manlet-haters like to believe. When most people think "160 lbs" they think of a swimmer or a cross country runner. One of my closest friends is 5'5" and about 150 lbs reasonably lean. He balloons to 175+ lbs off his diet. He is built almost comically thick, with probably the largest wrist circumference and head you'll see at his height, but he's also very strong. When he shoves, it feels hard. When he bumps into you, it feels heavy. I don't think that's a trivial amount of mass.

    UFC flyweights and bantamweights are very powerful for their size. I think you need to be in the smaller divisions else you get weeded out early. When I just intuitively picture what it'd be like if my buddy was more explosive and knew how to throw a proper punch I just can't see too many men brush it off like nothing, even big football players and weightlifters. Think about how much exertion is necessary to control a live 160 lb weight.
     
  2. loisestrad Gold Belt Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2014
    Messages:
    19,928
    Likes Received:
    5,212
    Location:
    Denmark
    Never underestimate the body of anyone. Where there no bodies, people wouldn't exist.
     
    OGL, PeacePipe, pseto223 and 21 others like this.
  3. Hellowhosthat Steel Belt

    Joined:
    May 30, 2019
    Messages:
    29,320
    Likes Received:
    55,260
    It's only some delusional Sherdoggers who think untrained dudes could beat UFC level smaller fighters just because they're small. Anyone who's ever trained with decent level fighters knows what's up.
     
  4. BlessYourHeart Yellow Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2021
    Messages:
    226
    Likes Received:
    391
    My opinion are LW's are the perfect combination of speed and power. If you go lower, speed starts to become a factor as you go down the scale while going above LW and power becomes more a weapon
     
    Dirty Frank, A.S. Deep and Venom like this.
  5. Venom Lurker since '09

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2016
    Messages:
    13,164
    Likes Received:
    778
    Location:
    United States
    Seems like most (Western) men would fall between lightweight and middleweight in MMA terms. Reasonably lean weight of course, most men reaching 185-200 lbs with some bodyfat.
     
    Stixx likes this.
  6. cyanogen Green Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2012
    Messages:
    1,065
    Likes Received:
    599
    Location:
    lower saxony, germany
    True, also 160 lbs is under the average American weight but it's lean weight. The average American is 160 lbs lean weight and 30-40 lbs fat.
     
  7. GUY Green Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2018
    Messages:
    1,012
    Likes Received:
    765
    an untrained dude would lose to them. How would that fight go? Bigger untrained dude would throw some sloppy punches and hit air and get hit in the face in return and cry, because most people who never trained react badly to getting punched in the face and immediately lose their will to fight.
     
    pseto223, Cpt Migraine, Stixx and 5 others like this.
  8. Pancake Sprawl WAR IGOR!!!11

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2003
    Messages:
    15,312
    Likes Received:
    5,169
    Location:
    Mutating ...
    think about how big you see your 5'5 160lb friend. now take that friend, add another foot and 100 more lbs to him and you've got a Francis Ngannou sized person. think about that. how hard your 5'5 160lb friend shoves, and then think about someone who is 1 foot taller and a 100lbs heavier shoving you.

    if your little friend is comically big imagine how actual big people must look like. probably Nate Diazesque, Joe.
    [​IMG] <Goldie11>
     
  9. Masturbin Porn Addict

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2019
    Messages:
    3,055
    Likes Received:
    3,820
    Location:
    Send me Location
    I walk at like 150 max so even 125 er like figgy are most likely bigger than me
     
  10. Normot Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2008
    Messages:
    3,989
    Likes Received:
    2,171
    Someone needed to say it man. Preach.
     
    loisestrad likes this.
  11. Normot Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2008
    Messages:
    3,989
    Likes Received:
    2,171
    LWs are the best to watch and the most competitive weight class. But heavyweights are clearly the best. Being fucking huge is a big asset.
     
    Stixx, updowniri and Hannibal Lector like this.
  12. DoctorsStoppage Tell them it was a Double Yellow Card

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2021
    Messages:
    578
    Likes Received:
    744
    This is not real representation of the fact. Nate is only twice as big here, conor said 'Three times me size'.
     
    mortal and Bearknuckle like this.
  13. KillerIsBack V2 Red Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2015
    Messages:
    9,007
    Likes Received:
    3,231
    Let the bodies hit the
     
  14. 613 Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2011
    Messages:
    18,131
    Likes Received:
    1,920
    The average American would probably weigh like a skinny 150lbs if they were not fat
     
  15. Spath Black Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2010
    Messages:
    6,477
    Likes Received:
    4,350
    Location:
    Winland
    But muh 5’5” friend is built! He’s thick!

    <{anton}>
     
  16. Johnnny Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2016
    Messages:
    2,152
    Likes Received:
    3,027
    Turn on the Olympics. Elite swimmers are built like UFC middleweights. They are tall and fairly muscular. Some are even built like light heavyweights, Adam Peaty, for example. He's nearly a foot taller than your friend.

    [​IMG]


    Your 5'5" swoll friend has comically short arms. He shouldn't be able to shove anybody of normal height if they are paying attention.

     
  17. Kb7 Black Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2011
    Messages:
    5,351
    Likes Received:
    2,824
    I've seen more smaller men, 5'5 - 5'10' beat the fuck out of guys that are 5'11-6'3 out in the real world outside of Sherdog and the interwebs. This whole narrative that smaller can't compete against bigger is a urban myth conceived from larger men projecting their insecurities. That's the truth.
     
  18. Venom Lurker since '09

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2016
    Messages:
    13,164
    Likes Received:
    778
    Location:
    United States
    Guarantee both of ya'll would struggle to contain him. Literally miniature Mark Hunt. Hell he may KO you if I'm being honest. I've seen him start shit in bars when he gets stupid drunk.
     
  19. surrealworlds Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2011
    Messages:
    4,971
    Likes Received:
    956
    This thread sounds like a Manlet trying to cope. I don't care how skilled/unskilled you are, size matters.
    I can't find it but there is a video of a NFL play where a guy gets hit so hard he flips into the air. One of the linebackers looks up and catches him and stand him back up like he was a toddler. He literally caught a 6 ft+ 250lb+ NFL player like a child.

    That kind of strength matters even if you don't know how to fight. If that man got ahold of a 160lb UFC fighter he would fuck him up as long as he has any fighting ability at all..
     
    winterbike and Robbie Brawler like this.
  20. surrealworlds Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2011
    Messages:
    4,971
    Likes Received:
    956
    [​IMG]
    Let's see a 160lb UFC fighter fight this guy on the street.
     
    theTKDguy likes this.

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.