I suck at interviews apparently (advice thread)

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  1. FightsFTW

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    So I just had an interview recently for a security position at a nightclub. I got an email about 2 weeks ago that I was invited to a quick meet and greet. I went and we had mini interviews, I thought it went ok, but I was a bit nervous. Didn't help that the 2 guys that interviewed me were those emotionless dudes who you cant read at all. I got an email back 2 days ago thanking me for my interest and that group interviews will be held on the 13th of January and to look forward to an email with exact details. I was thinking sweet, I've passed to the next round.

    Then today I get an email thanking me for my interest, but all the interviews were done already and they would keep my resume on file and to apply to any other positions I'm interested in??? So I'm confused which email I should believe. Hopefully its the former, all I can do is wait to see if I get another one with details on the group interview.

    Anyways, I've never gotten a job on my own. Its always been through a recommendation, whenever I even made it to the interview process on my own (not many times), I have up till now not gotten the job. Even when I think I nailed the interview and had the interviewer seemingly liking what I responded with. I have gotten turned down each time. I always try to cater my responses to the job at hand and even in my resume I try to add in key points that are relatable to the job I'm applying for and nothing. Is it just bad luck? I will say the times I've gotten turned down were almost always by some stiff looking tightass guy that showed little to no emotion. The times I have gotten hired (with recommendation) were with some more open and laid back women.

    What am I doing wrong? Interview advice appreciated. Will elaborate on a specific interview if needed for more context.

    Cliffs:
    -suck at interviews
    -even when I cater to the job at hand I get rejected
    -only gotten jobs with a recommendation
    -Don't know if its just bad luck because dudes I interview with look like emotionless tightasses
    -advice needed
     
  2. PG29 red0 Jr

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    I am an engineering manager and interview engineers, mechanics, and supervisors for positions. You either got it or you don't. After about 5 minutes of a 30 minute interview I have already formed an opinion, and although occasionally something will come up to swing me one way or another the first opinion really matters.

    I only interview people that I have asked HR to bring into an interview, meaning that they have the correct background, experience, and education on paper.

    I would say it is probably the first impression of you people don't like.
     
  3. FightsFTW

    FightsFTW Red Belt

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    What could they not like about me? Besides being jealous of my good looks, lol. All joking aside, I always walk in, make eye contact, shake their hand and tell them "nice to meet you, thank you for the time...etc." Then they ask questions. Any recommendations on what I should do? What do you like to see from people as a first impression?
     
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  5. NoGoodNamesLeft

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    maybe your not sucking enough, if u catch my drift ;)
     
  6. jgarner

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    Security at a nightclub? Do you have any previous experience in any security work? What type of build do you have? I did security work for high end nightclubs through college. It's not too hard to get into the industry, but most people won't start at nice places.

    Being a bouncer you need to realize that it's not about being up drunks. Your first job is safety of the patrons/staff and security of the building. From there, it's all about customer service. The last thing a club wants is a new bouncer who wants to fuck people up. When you interview, you should give them to impression that you understand what the job is really about. They want someone who prevents incidents and keeps the club out of bad situations.

    You should also know how to properly identify fake IDs. Get a book on all ID's and learn them if you really want to be a bouncer. Holograms are the easiest things to spot. Most fakes use holograms that don't match the real state license. The most common things I look for are words like Genuine, Authentic, Official, Great Trust in the hologram. Almost all real ID's don't use those words, but they are super common with the standard online fakes. If you can check ID's well, most all clubs will love to have you. I still have like 200 fakes from my years of bouncing that I kept to use as training tools for new guys. I recommend finding a college bar or local spot and starting there before moving onto anything big. I started at a popular college bar under the table pay and did that for 2 years before I went and applied at the major clubs in my city. From there I got in with the biggest club owners in the region and worked at like 7 different clubs they owned. I've also done private security for high end clientele.

    I've seen and done it all in the nightclub scene. I'm more than happy to answer any questions about club security if you have anything specific.
     
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    OverPressure Rem Lezar melts steel beams

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    Be ready for the call, I'll bet there's a fair amount of turnover at the club.
    "So and so isn't coming in",
    "So and so isn't working out", etc
     
  8. FightsFTW

    FightsFTW Red Belt

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    Of what? Myself?

    Maybe....

    Its not really bouncer work, its just guys that walk around and shit. I see they hire all kinds of builds and body types for security here. Its a casino. There's a chick I know that got hired at a similar nightclub as security, she's like 5'4.....so clearly they aren't hiring big dudes or anything. Also she's hot af, so that could have helped.

    Also my responses to the questions (like 2 questions, it was supposed to be rapid interview process, not an actual legit interview till later) were all customer service related, because I know security more often than not has to deal with people and questions rather than actual resolving of issues like fights and whatnot. I went this route because the place I applied at are always going on about the guest experience and how we should strive to make it the best.
     
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    DIABOLUS Banned Banned

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    I always wear suits to interviews, and carry a portfolio with me that has multiple copies of my resumes and references, and work history (detailing past job dates, pay rates, etc. to make filling applications quicker). If a place doesn't hire me on the spot I check back with them two or three weeks later. And if they're still not hiring at that time, I check back with them again. And again. And again until they hire me.

    I've gotten every job I ever set my mind to. And I don't even enjoy the job hunting process. I hate it. But I know how to be prepared, come across as a professional, and demonstrate my persistence. That's generally all it takes to impress a prospective employer.
     
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    Ever heard of Speed Dating?

    Job interviews are a lot like that.
     
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    Interesting, so what would you recommend I do then, since I got 2 emails, one telling me to look forward to an email with details and the other that I didn't get chosen to advance. Should I just wait and see if I get the actual email with the details of the interview? What if the rejection email stands, would calling in be pointless?
     
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    Yeah, most high end security work isn't really "bouncer" work. You're there to mitigate liability for the establishment and provide a face for customer service. I don't really get what you're trying to ask us here if you have all the answers already.
     
  13. FightsFTW

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    I'm not asking for advice or info on the job position (in this case security), I'm asking for advice on the interview process. What are some things that I could do to make a better impression on employers so they can hire me because clearly what I've been doing has not been working out for me. Like what kind of things to say, any key words, things I should/shouldn't do...etc.
     
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    Lethal Forum Administrator Staff Member Forum Administrator

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    Try and perfect the S.T.A.R. format as much as possible, it's a good way of showing them how you handle situations.
     
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    lol. betas going to be betas.

    every job interview i've ever gone on, i've been offered the job. it's a combination of things that make interviewing successful starting with appropriately balanced confidence and humility, accurately reading people and making a connection, and showing your best possible side.

    if you were nervous and they could read it, why would a security team want to hire you? if i went for a security job, i would want to show strong, controlled confidence. confident i could take care of any challenging situation, but controlled enough to know when to escalate and when not to. people can smell the stench of nervousness and fear.
     
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    do the entire interview crossing your eyes inward. trust me.
     
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    milliniar Who needs a belt?

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    As it was for a night club should've offered them some blow.
     
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    PG29 red0 Jr Brown Belt

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    I work in the manufacturing world, so I would find it odd if someone wore a suit to an interview, however the portfolio with all your info as you described shows me that you are organized and detail oriented.

    Since I hire people from mechanics up to lower level management, I expect some to be well dressed and others may wear jeans and a hoodie. I did hire one person that wore a suit this year, but for manufacturing jobs a decent pair of slacks and a button down shirt or even a polo is OK with me.
     
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    It's your will against theirs. How badly do you want the job vs. how badly do they not want to hire you?

    I would follow up with them in person (don't waste your time calling), have a copy of the "good" email with me, and tell them I'm definitely interested if they have other opportunities open up. Pretend you never got the rejection email. If they correct you and tell you that, yes, they did in fact reject you, act surprised, but tell them you understand, and let them know if they change their minds you are still open to any opportunities that might come up.

    See what I'm doing there? Ignoring the negative, and focusing on the positive. And when directly confronted with something negative ("We rejected you") I turn it into something positive and let them know I'm not taking it personally. I'm also demonstrating that I'm flexible by saying I'm willing to consider other opportunities (even if it's not exactly what I really want, I just want to get my foot in the door), so I'm not just getting frustrated or giving up at the drop of a hat.

    These are all subtle things you can demonstrate to an employer about yourself before you work even a single day for them. Anyone can spin a story about how they're hard-working, a team player, goal-oriented, etc. But acting the way I describe during the interview process and following up accordingly actually demonstrates it. Sooner or later, someone will give you a shot. It might be a crappy position to start off with, but if you work hard (pay your dues), you can get in with the managers and get moved to a better position that is more in line with what you really want to do. You just have to stay focused on the big picture and not sweat the small stuff. Everybody has to climb the ladder. There are no shortcuts.
     
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    I've worked as a CNC machinist. Upon graduating I went to a nearby shop with a portfolio of stuff I did in school, and also happened to have several copies of my resume, etc. I wore a polo and slacks. Not as formal as a suit but definitely not super casual either. I approached them on the pretense of just wanting to learn about the industry. Stressed to them multiple times I wasn't asking for a job. The owner gave me a tour of the shop and spoke to me about the industry for a good hour. I thanked him and left.

    Three weeks later I got a call from them asking me to come in for an interview.
     
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