I Hope that PFL takes off

[StonedLemur]

Oh, StonedLemur, my dear friend. Your wisdom has no limits.

Damn right sir, I am searching for fuckin enlightenment lmao.

 

[TorontoTO]

I just dislike the season thing they have going on, if they just did a straight 16 man tournament every year, I would be down

 

[RockyLockridge]

If PFL merged with Bellator, One, ACA, and Rizin they could compete with the UFC on a pretty even level

You'd have to watch both.

 

[AmericanMMA]

Yeah, but, but, free market capitalism is still capitalism!!! We want marxism, communism, disguised as, well...we'll call it democratic socialism! Yeah! That sounds good.

So many don't seem to make the distinction between what America was intended to operated by, (free market capitalism/small government) and what it is in its current form of, crony capitalism. I don't mean to preach, but I cant help myself. Educate the masses!




Not always. Believe it or not, I've put panties back on. Not putting my face in some scrunched up Arbys roast beef.

Just read Adam Smith. The free hand is a real thing. Pretty simple really.

 

[WinningOne]

I just dislike the season thing they have going on, if they just did a straight 16 man tournament every year, I would be down

If they absorbed Bellator, did a 16 man tournament, and had all of the regular divisions they would be sick imo. Hoping to see it happen

 

[David Street]

Looks like a lot of stuff will go on the market soon: Endeavor who owns UFC say they will make a bid on WWE (who seem to be hoping for 6 billion). And Triller who owns BKFC among others seems to be in trouble as more lawsuits and failed to go public. Finally Bellator. Who should Endeavor buy? WWE is way above their current funds and will have to get partners to go in on with them.

 

[TorontoTO]

Looks like a lot of stuff will go on the market soon: Endeavor who owns UFC say they will make a bid on WWE (who seem to be hoping for 6 billion). And Triller who owns BKFC among others seems to be in trouble as more lawsuits and failed to go public. Finally Bellator. Who should Endeavor buy? WWE is way above their current funds and will have to get partners to go in on with them.

Only in the amazing "free market" can a company that owes 3 billion be able to afford to pay 6 billion to buy more entities.

 

[BFoe]

Open legs in a brothel is pretty cool too sir lol.

Depends on the brothel!....lol

Depends on whose legs they are too.

But I’d be down for a Bellator/PFL merger. That goofy season tournament format thing PFL does has to go though.

 

[skylolow]

Bellator is not going under. Helwani has always been a Bellator hater

I don't think Helwani shits on Bellator. I listen to him more shows than not and some of his side kicks are much more anti Bellator than he is.

Maybe "anti" isn't the best word. But more sick just nothing really happen worth while with Bellator. Tournaments they been doing for years, nothing new there, Vs Rizin is really the only new or different they have tried in years, and not much else you can talk about. Nobody cares about them throwing up crap show in Italy.

If anything Helwani and his crew are like a lot of fans. They look at the roster and say a lot of good talent but just isn't been used correctly. Just too many dull events on paper that don't get anyone interested in watching.

 

[David Street]

Only in the amazing "free market" can a company that owes 3 billion can afford to to pay 6 billion to buy more entities.

To buy UFC they partnered with Silver Lake Private Equity who they paid back by using stocks and money from going public. Do not think they will want to give up more of their company. But Endeavor is good at finding partners. But I know that Private Equity Firm RedBird Capital Partners has been entrusted from Saudi to buy sports promotions given a Billion to start with, for their SportsWashing goals.

https://www.benzinga.com/pressrelea...l-media-investments-launch-joint-venture-to-i

 

[TorontoTO]

I don't think Helwani shits on Bellator. I listen to him more shows than not and some of his side kicks are much more anti Bellator than he is.

Maybe "anti" isn't the best word. But more sick just nothing really happen worth while with Bellator. Tournaments they been doing for years, nothing new there, Vs Rizin is really the only new or different they have tried in years, and not much else you can talk about. Nobody cares about them throwing up crap show in Italy.

If anything Helwani and his crew are like a lot of fans. They look at the roster and say a lot of good talent but just isn't been used correctly. Just too many dull events on paper that don't get anyone interested in watching.

But likewise, was this season of PFL really a success?

 

[GueseGuy]

But likewise, was this season of PFL really a success?

No, it was shitshow. I will admit their PPV finale on Black Friday did gain some traction and had some fanfare around it. But did it make money? Nope. Did the brand ultimately grow this year? Maybe a little. Can’t see how the year is considered a “success” for them and ONE while they continue to lose millions while Bellator played their same old usual game and most likely made money again and fed their same old markets sold out shows. Bellator is playing it smart. They have no reason to break the bank or do anything stupid. They are steady and stable. Mma fans don’t understand stable. They want promotions to do stupid shit to appease them. That’s why most of these fat stupid mma fans are sitting on their couch and the ones running the show, are the ones running the show. Cause they know what they’re doing.

 

[GueseGuy]

I don't think Helwani shits on Bellator. I listen to him more shows than not and some of his side kicks are much more anti Bellator than he is.

Maybe "anti" isn't the best word. But more sick just nothing really happen worth while with Bellator. Tournaments they been doing for years, nothing new there, Vs Rizin is really the only new or different they have tried in years, and not much else you can talk about. Nobody cares about them throwing up crap show in Italy.

If anything Helwani and his crew are like a lot of fans. They look at the roster and say a lot of good talent but just isn't been used correctly. Just too many dull events on paper that don't get anyone interested in watching.

I’ll admit, Bellator didn’t do much to excite me this year. It was a decent year but it wasn’t great. But they’ve found a formula that works and they’re sticking to it. It’s better to play it safe and stabilize yourself and be here in the long run than to blow your load and go out of business in 2 years. Especially when it comes to running an mma promotion. Which mma promotion has been around 15+ years? Aside from the UFC which promotion has lasted that long? It’s only Bellator. They’re doing something right. People want them to go crazy and start doing stupid shit and sign Jake Paul or whatever but why? If they are profitable and stable, why not play it cool and let these promotions like PFL blow their load. It’s cool, Bellator will be here chilling. They ain’t going anywhere. These dummy fans like Smelwani and his butt boys don’t understand business. If it was up to them they’d run their promotion into the ground trying to “excite” mma fans who are 99% of the time dumber than a bag of bricks anyway.

 

[StonedLemur]

Depends on whose legs they are too.

But I’d be down for a Bellator/PFL merger. That goofy season tournament format thing PFL does has to go though.

We're not going to a guy brothel ffs lmao.

Yeah that would be awesome, but that season format should be to enter a real GP every 2 years.

 

[joeson]

Looks like a lot of stuff will go on the market soon: Endeavor who owns UFC say they will make a bid on WWE (who seem to be hoping for 6 billion). And Triller who owns BKFC among others seems to be in trouble as more lawsuits and failed to go public. Finally Bellator. Who should Endeavor buy? WWE is way above their current funds and will have to get partners to go in on with them.

Endeavour (or the UFC) is fighting an anti-trust case. They’re trying to prove that they are not a monopoly or monopsony. Wont help their case if they absorb another competitor.

 

[skylolow]

But likewise, was this season of PFL really a success?

They did resign with ESPN and got some more investment money. So on some level better than the alternative of those two. From fans perspective not a whole lot at least in my eyes. Though it did seem to be a little fan fair around the PPV in the end. Pesonaly, PFL PPV at the end I would've waited to get my fan base to buy into a PPV. I think they really don't have the names or brand power at this time to expect fans to pay for the finale of the season. Be interesting to know what they actually did.

The main thing they do is just completely different than what the UFC does. There willing to try to do new things like the PPV series and bring in a guy like Jake who like him or not is going to bring new eyes to the product. There is very few people in the combat sport world that will bring more eyes than Jake does to whatever he is involved in. He isn't my cup of tea or whatever but the kid has fans that follow him. I think you could easily argue that if Bellator/Showtime had him doing MMA in Bellator it would be by far the biggest signing they ever had in terms of pure attraction to the product and his event would probably be the highest rated event they have done since Viacom owned them. Hell, Jake Paul would probably do more for advertising the Bellator brand than Viacom has ever done, which doesn't take much unfortunately(another pet peeve of many on here). Time will tell if it works out for PFL, but at least they tried to be something different than the UFC. Plus they understand the tournament season(unlike Rebney Bellator) can't be the only thing. Fighters outgrow that format. Kayla is saying she is done with tournaments. I'm sure Ray Cooper is sick of tournaments and this list will just grow. They understand you need a place of them to go, PPV series apparently is there answer or who knows maybe they start putting on a few ESPN events yearly that aren't part of the tournament season.

We all know there losing money, at least they aren't doing the same shit we've seen previously by many orgs that we all see fail over and over again. Honestly, its amazing these orgs like PFL can even get investors to keep pumping money in. MMA history is not kind to orgs outside of the UFC.

 

[TorontoTO]

They did resign with ESPN and got some more investment money. So on some level better than the alternative of those two. From fans perspective not a whole lot at least in my eyes. Though it did seem to be a little fan fair around the PPV in the end. Pesonaly, PFL PPV at the end I would've waited to get my fan base to buy into a PPV. I think they really don't have the names or brand power at this time to expect fans to pay for the finale of the season. Be interesting to know what they actually did.

The main thing they do is just completely different than what the UFC does. There willing to try to do new things like the PPV series and bring in a guy like Jake who like him or not is going to bring new eyes to the product. There is very few people in the combat sport world that will bring more eyes than Jake does to whatever he is involved in. He isn't my cup of tea or whatever but the kid has fans that follow him. I think you could easily argue that if Bellator/Showtime had him doing MMA in Bellator it would be by far the biggest signing they ever had in terms of pure attraction to the product and his event would probably be the highest rated event they have done since Viacom owned them. Hell, Jake Paul would probably do more for advertising the Bellator brand than Viacom has ever done, which doesn't take much unfortunately(another pet peeve of many on here). Time will tell if it works out for PFL, but at least they tried to be something different than the UFC. Plus they understand the tournament season(unlike Rebney Bellator) can't be the only thing. Fighters outgrow that format. Kayla is saying she is done with tournaments. I'm sure Ray Cooper is sick of tournaments and this list will just grow. They understand you need a place of them to go, PPV series apparently is there answer or who knows maybe they start putting on a few ESPN events yearly that aren't part of the tournament season.

We all know there losing money, at least they aren't doing the same shit we've seen previously by many orgs that we all see fail over and over again. Honestly, its amazing these orgs like PFL can even get investors to keep pumping money in. MMA history is not kind to orgs outside of the UFC.

How exactly is doing PPV different from UFC?

 

[skylolow]

How exactly is doing PPV different from UFC?

It's the overall concept they do. The PPV difference is they are actively selling to fighters that the fighters will take at least 50% of the PPV and you can have your own sponsors. Now we'll see if they can ever get to the amount of PPV buys that matter. My guess, probably not unless something changes in the MMA landscape. But Jake will help with the card he is on. It's better than just doing PPV for doing a PPV. They seem very interested in Francis though I have no idea who'd they bring to have him fight that any blow joe fan would care about.

I think part of this new PPV series is also being pushed by the recent news that they plan on reintroducing the Ali Act in congress this year. That may have quite an effect on how all these orgs do business. Not really for that in its current form as with most things the government gets involved in it usually turns into a bigger mess than what it was attended to fix at the street level. If that passes the PFL model will probably be more attractive to some top fighters.