I hit like a girl

[Sinister]

well it's just that before i diem3 said that he has had no traing and is jealous of a guy who weighs 30lbs more than him. Come on it's not impossible for a guy with no training to improve punching power. If he has been training, ofcourse it will be different. But to tell a guy who has had no training that he wont' punch harder is a bit harsh imho.

Good post, and you're right about the method of delivery. I just think Zankou had some hard to spot e-sarcasm thrown in there. lol

It may sound TMA but I believe that you can definitely learn how to harness and cultivate your internal energy and use it to your benefit as well.

noone has to agree with me, but I truely believe it.

I know what you're talking about. Like the breakers. It's a stupid argument to say that breaking specialists aren't developing in some cases obscene punching power to be able to break the shit they do. However there's a difference here. That kind of improvement of punching power requires focus, concentration, timing, accuracy, etc. These things are very difficult to pull off all at once in a fight. But the guys who are born with natrual punching power hit like a truck no matter what they do. Even if they're not squared up, breathing proper, or even at thr right angles. I mentioned Naseem Hamed. He had two-fisted knockout power. A flyweight who hit like a heavyweight. No matter what is done here, there is no teaching to hit like that:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4895528102049973661

 

[bigdoggg]

technically you can't really hit like a girl, run like a girl, throw like a girl, etc.

since girls can be pretty good at all of the above

Girls bite, claw and piss their way to the top where already at the top we just have to stay there. Ive seen alot of them and they seem to be all the same.

 

[BeFoRe I DiE M3]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/a_totw9.htm

I know, I know, its a Bodybuilding website. But the sport specific training articles are pretty good in my opinion. Tell me what you think.

Good article. Hopefully I'll get some training soon, they offer kickboxing and muay thai classes where I train, but I've only been able to go to one class. I have a pretty rough school schedule. I was thinking of trying out a new place, but I havent found anyplace quite as broad in training. Most other places around offer only BJJ, Kenpo, or TKD and don't offer a lot of no-gi options. I found one other school that I was really interested in, but the travel time and traffic would be rediculous but I may try it for a month and see if its managable.

 

[Mu Bai]

In addition to perfecting your form, always incorporate some heavy bag work. Shadow boxing and pad work are great for form, timing, and speed, but heavy bag work is good for measuring distance and of course letting you feel some significant weight behind the object you're hitting...

 

[TwIsTeD&BrOkEn]

Good post, and you're right about the method of delivery. I just think Zankou had some hard to spot e-sarcasm thrown in there. lol



I know what you're talking about. Like the breakers. It's a stupid argument to say that breaking specialists aren't developing in some cases obscene punching power to be able to break the shit they do. However there's a difference here. That kind of improvement of punching power requires focus, concentration, timing, accuracy, etc. These things are very difficult to pull off all at once in a fight. But the guys who are born with natrual punching power hit like a truck no matter what they do. Even if they're not squared up, breathing proper, or even at thr right angles. I mentioned Naseem Hamed. He had two-fisted knockout power. A flyweight who hit like a heavyweight. No matter what is done here, there is no teaching to hit like that:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4895528102049973661

nah Im not talking about breaking and parlor tricks like that!

and Im not talking about taking a few minutes to stand there and focus your energy into a blue ball of fire and shouting "Hadou-Ken" whilst hurling it at a big green feral brazilian monkey beast.

Im talking about putting your body in a battery state, in which it stores and disperses stored energy......people do this naturally, unwittingly or not, and in some its stronger than others in its natural, untrained state....

 

[Sinister]

Im talking about putting your body in a battery state, in which it stores and disperses stored energy......people do this naturally, unwittingly or not, and in some its stronger than others in its natural, untrained state....

Bro even with this, there is just no way a person who isn't naturally what they call in Boxing "heavy-handed" is ever going to be. Like I said about Hamed, for a lightweight he hit like a mack truck, and no amount of training (think about the amount of time spent on punching especially during Boxing training, as well as increasing punching power and energy output) is going to make up for his talent of being a bone-shattering puncher. There are other guys who fit this bill as well like Kermit Cintron, John Duddy, in the old school Julio Cesar Chavez, they have what they have because they're born with it, and training accentuates it further. So, taking that into consideration, that they train as much on punching ability as someone who punches soft, the person is still going to punch soft by comparison to those other guys. It's kind of a struggle that defeats itself in the end. But it does largely depend on what context you put it in.

But I will say this to the thread-starter, you probably hit harder than you think and are just hitting wrong. There's alot of aspects to getting things done with punches, punching power is but one of them. Which is why Naseem Hamed got his ass kicked by Marco Antonio Barerra. And why Kermit Cintron got pasted by Antonio Margarito.

 

[TwIsTeD&BrOkEn]

Bro even with this, there is just no way a person who isn't naturally what they call in Boxing "heavy-handed" is ever going to be. Like I said about Hamed, for a lightweight he hit like a mack truck, and no amount of training (think about the amount of time spent on punching especially during Boxing training, as well as increasing punching power and energy output) is going to make up for his talent of being a bone-shattering puncher. There are other guys who fit this bill as well like Kermit Cintron, John Duddy, in the old school Julio Cesar Chavez, they have what they have because they're born with it, and training accentuates it further. So, taking that into consideration, that they train as much on punching ability as someone who punches soft, the person is still going to punch soft by comparison to those other guys. It's kind of a struggle that defeats itself in the end. But it does largely depend on what context you put it in.

But I will say this to the thread-starter, you probably hit harder than you think and are just hitting wrong. There's alot of aspects to getting things done with punches, punching power is but one of them. Which is why Naseem Hamed got his ass kicked by Marco Antonio Barerra. And why Kermit Cintron got pasted by Antonio Margarito.

Its a matter of opinion I suppose...it all comes down to what you believe is the reason WHY natural KO punchers are the way they are.....I believe it has to do with internal energy, you may not. Im only 150 lbs and Ive knocked guys out before I had any formal training in anything other than Karate as a kid, and Tai Chi Chuan for a couple years.....Ive always attributed my power to my ability to tap into my own spiritual energy, and hit people with more than just my fist.....I might not hit as "hard" as guys bigger than me, but I can take a lot of punishment, and my hits tend to "stick in" more than most people...because I think that I am not simply hitting them with physical force, I am hitting them with my entire being.

This may have gotten waay too metaphysical and off track here, but my attitudes towards fighting tie into my attitudes towards life in general....Spirituality...Quantum Physics and the like.

So Ill ask the question....these guys who you consider to be naturally heavy handed.....why do you think that is? I mean to say, What is the cause of that in your opinion?....Ive given my reasons why I believe that some people are like that and some are not.

and I also believe that you can harness and cultivate it.....not through conventional western training practices, but I do believe it is possible...I learned that much from Tai Chi Chuan.

 

[Sinister]

Its a matter of opinion I suppose...it all comes down to what you believe is the reason WHY natural KO punchers are the way they are.....I believe it has to do with internal energy, you may not. Im only 150 lbs and Ive knocked guys out before I had any formal training in anything other than Karate as a kid, and Tai Chi Chuan for a couple years.....Ive always attributed my power to my ability to tap into my own spiritual energy, and hit people with more than just my fist.....I might not hit as "hard" as guys bigger than me, but I can take a lot of punishment, and my hits tend to "stick in" more than most people...because I think that I am not simply hitting them with physical force, I am hitting them with my entire being.

This may have gotten waay too metaphysical and off track here, but my attitudes towards fighting tie into my attitudes towards life in general....Spirituality...Quantum Physics and the like.

So Ill ask the question....these guys who you consider to be naturally heavy handed.....why do you think that is? I mean to say, What is the cause of that in your opinion?....Ive given my reasons why I believe that some people are like that and some are not.

and I also believe that you can harness and cultivate it.....not through conventional western training practices, but I do believe it is possible...I learned that much from Tai Chi Chuan.

I can actually appreciate your perspective because though I don't say so as much I look at fighting as being every bit as metaphysical as physical. If you've read my thread on mental toughness, it's obvious in there. I believe most fights are over before they begin, because the man who has DECIDED he will not lose that night, beyond the Shadow of a doubt, won't. When people ask what if both combattants feel that way then I say they've reached the highest level and the fight is like a car crash, it's left to fate.

But that doesn't mean there aren't scientific explanations inolved. Most guys who are heavy-handed have either bigger, or more responsive fast-twich muscles. Their biological structure is a little different and so is their mechanical movement. They have a talent for being able to move in a way that not only stresses every muscle fiber, but they can put not only every pound of bodyweight into their punches but can also seem to be able to put even more force into it. So in the end they tend to generate more pounds of pressure when they strike. The ones who refine their striking accuracy become wickedly able to do so, and can usualy knock people out at-will. Ironically-enough despite that you disagree with the idea that a person cannot train this, from what you said about your own hitting ability you seem to fall into this specific category. Bigger guys only hit harder because they are bigger, and if they know how to punch the numbers are just in their favor when it comes to pounds of pressure they have available to put into their punches if they execute properly. This is why even though I hit like a freight train, I'll never hit as hard as say, Vitali Klitschko, unless you talk pound for pound.

There are just genetic advantages some people have. Which make them more viable at some things than others are no matter how much the others train. They can train to get within the scope of comparison, but will be outshined by someone who has better genetics to do that thing AND similar training. Which is why guys like Antonio Margarito and Marco Antonio Barerra were smart enough to focus on other aspects of fighting that would neutralize the punching power of Hamed and Cintron. Meldrick Taylor did the same thing to Julio Cesar Chavez for most of their fight as well.

 

[aries]

To you guys picking at Zankou's post. What he's referring to is a standard philosophy in Boxing that punchers are born and not made. Throughout time this has always held true. You can get stronger, you can become better technically-skilled, and you can have more stiff and accurate, as well as faster punches. But having that power like Naseem Hamed had, where you tap a guy's chin and the next thing he knows he's staring at a pen-light with an ice pack on his neck is not something any amount of coaching will give. It's a born talent. Some guys, with all the technical skill in the world, also just don't really hit that hard. See Meldrick Taylor, or Ray Leonard. They defeated their opponents mostly with accumulation of damage and rarely if-ever demonstrated raw punching power, even with nearly flawless technique.

Yeah but Leonard or Taylor would probably knock out any normal joe just not a elite level boxer with a good chin. And they probably couldn't punch their way out of a paper bag before anyway.

 

[Sinister]

Yeah but Leonard or Taylor would probably knock out any normal joe just not a elite level boxer with a good chin. And they probably couldn't punch their way out of a paper bag before anyway.

They both fought tons of average normal Joe's in their career and didn't knock them all out with a single punch. Accumulation mostly.

 

[Gregster]

To you guys picking at Zankou's post. What he's referring to is a standard philosophy in Boxing that punchers are born and not made. Throughout time this has always held true. You can get stronger, you can become better technically-skilled, and you can have more stiff and accurate, as well as faster punches. But having that power like Naseem Hamed had, where you tap a guy's chin and the next thing he knows he's staring at a pen-light with an ice pack on his neck is not something any amount of coaching will give. It's a born talent. Some guys, with all the technical skill in the world, also just don't really hit that hard. See Meldrick Taylor, or Ray Leonard. They defeated their opponents mostly with accumulation of damage and rarely if-ever demonstrated raw punching power, even with nearly flawless technique.

And I agree completely; I think coaching will only take you so far, and that the true greats of the sport are the ones who, as if touched by a higher power, just have that extra edge that keeps them ahead of the competition. It may be physical, it may be mental. It allows guys like Muhammed Ali to violate things regarding stance, movement, and punching considered to be immutable law by the boxing orthodoxy in his day to become one of the legends of the sport.

I construed his post to mean that either you can hit hard or you can't, and if you can't, too bad.

 

[blanko]

let's get something straight. If you have been trained and still don't throw hard that's one thing. But if you have NEVER had proper boxing training it's nonsense for people to tell you that you will NEVER hit hard.

 

[SteveX]

I am not the most powerful puncher either, but I don't let it get to me. Even when I see other people hit harder I just try to look at the positives.

Just because you weren't born with heavy hands doesn't mean you can't punch hard or get better at punching, it just means you have to work harder then someone who was born heavy handed.

Also, just because you don't punch hard doesn't mean you can't kick hard. A good kick is a great tool to have in a fight. I think it is easier to recover from a solid punch then it is to recover from a solid low kick, especially if you never really got hit in that muscle before.

While your training kicks, you can continue to train punches, so it is not like you have to sacrafice one for the other.

Every man on earth wishes they could punch like the greats, but some people just can't. Just work your strengths and try to remember that no matter how good you are there will always be someone better down the line.

 

[BJJK1]

it's not about throwing hard punches, it's about throwing punches fast, accurate, and finding the balance between power and speed. anyone with some strength can put a dent in the punching bag, but it takes a skilled striker to throw meaningful punches and avoid being hit. i mean, if you just want to impress your friends, put all your weight into it, don't worry about leaving yourself open, don't worry about technique. if you want to learn to strike, find a good gym.

 

[Tone C]

Too many factors effect your punching ability to list them all but just a few include:your bodyweight and how you use it,timing,distancing,accuracy,aggression speed,motion and technique.You can be lacking some of those factors and still be a good puncher(I did'nt say great)Someone who can utilise his opponents movement thru timing and accuracy can overcome his perhaps lack of natural power,you allow his forward momentum to add to your power,just think of him standing still and you punching him ,it hurts him then ask the guy to run forward into you as you punch him,now thats gonna hurt more.

 

[Tone C]

Oh and check out 'Ross Enamait' s web site.Thats not too bad for boxing training ideas.Good luck.

 

[aries]

it's not about throwing hard punches, it's about throwing punches fast, accurate, and finding the balance between power and speed. anyone with some strength can put a dent in the punching bag, but it takes a skilled striker to throw meaningful punches and avoid being hit. i mean, if you just want to impress your friends, put all your weight into it, don't worry about leaving yourself open, don't worry about technique. if you want to learn to strike, find a good gym.

Very good points. I hit hard, my punch technique is pretty good but I am still looking for the consistent KO. I don't feel I have ever caught anyone perfectly yet except by accident when they walked on to a medium weight shot. The effect was pretty spectacular considering that I didn't put anything on that punch but combined with them walking onto it, it had a big effect. That was a combination of perfect distance, timing and accuracy but with only moderate power. If only I could do that all the time.

Timing and accuracy are crucial. Distance is also vital. If you catch someone with full power shot but they are just an inch back from the point of impact the power is reduced massively. That's why a boxer with good instincts will always reactively nullify the power of your shots. They take a barely noticable move back as you hit them taking most of the sting out of the shot. That's one reason why you are so much more likely to get the KO if they don't see the punch. Its like catching a cricket ball or baseball. Someone who's never done it before will end up with a bruised hand but a good catcher will absorb the energy.

So a skilled puncher will not only hit harder through improved mechanics but also through increased accuracy, timing and distancing.

 

[randomg1t]

Thanks guys,

I have been doing mostly grappling, that's why I've been trying to focus on my stand-up... Technique seems to over-rule, I'll definately keep at it. I appreciate the input.

im like 134, so im not a powerpuncher. but trust me, if i land a right straight it hurts. just make sure the power comes from your entire body weight rather than your hands only. it's all in the hips man.

good luck.

 

[Takhti]

accuracy + timing > punching power

 

[Sinister]

accuracy + timing > punching power

Incorrect. Accuracy + timing = landing a punch on-the-button cleaner. Not at all the same as punching power.

Punching power = force of pressure delivered in a punch, regardless of contributing factors such as accuracy and timing.

Where this is concerned there's a distinct difference, you can't take one thing and call it something completely different. A person who has no real punching power can land a perfect punch and score a KO, a person who has real punching power can score a KO regardless in many cases.