I gasseddd...

[nyhcloyalty]

So it was my first day back at training after about 2 1/2 months.

I haven't been doing much cardio, just weight lifting.

After a 1 hr 15 min class we did some rolling around. I rolled with a guy who was probably 6'2, (I'm 5'7), and had about 40lbs on me. I mounted him three times and centered my weight, he was still able to push me off.

After that? I'm gassed like BJ Penn. I wound up finding myself in sub after sub, escaping some but at the same time getting caught in a couple.

After that I rolled with another guy for 5 mins, who is 2 belts higher then I am. I got some water in between rounds and was good to go again. We had a good match, I wound up getting his back after about 2 1/2 mins, and I was gassed again. He wound up turning into me, passing my guard and catching me in a key lock.

I was beyond pissed after class as I felt I was the better grappler, but my cardio kept me back. 2 things:

1) Has anyone else ever felt like that?

and

2) Does anyone have any fight specific cardio?

 

[Zankou]

If you're gassing while rolling BJJ in practice, you're exerting way too much energy.

 

[nyhcloyalty]

First of all, I wasn't the only one gassing.

Second, if that is the case, how can I fix the problem? I tend to think that I rely too much on strength sometimes and not enough on technique.

P.S. I also have a great teacher who keeps the pace up the whole time.

 

[RedNeckJiuJitsu]

I have a similar problem when I roll w some of my friends. Sometimes, I've rolled for a half hour, 45 minutes b4 one of us gets a submission. My problem is I usually get caught in somethin' if I'm about half-gassed.

 

[Bubble Boy]

I haven't been doing much cardio, just weight lifting.

...and you gassed? Hmmmmm. Something is suspicious.

 

[Bubble Boy]

If you're gassing while rolling BJJ in practice, you're exerting way too much energy.

Eh, it depends.
We have easy rolls and we have more intense ones (especially as a tournament is approaching). I think one could argue that NOT gassing occasionally means not pushing hard enough.

 

[Zankou]

First of all, I wasn't the only one gassing.

Second, if that is the case, how can I fix the problem? I tend to think that I rely too much on strength sometimes and not enough on technique.

P.S. I also have a great teacher who keeps the pace up the whole time.

I have the same problem. In fact I like to get into cardio wars, because I feel that 8 times out of 10 my opponent will gas harder and lose the cardio battle. It's a bad habit, and my instructor is always down on me for it -- you shouldn't be dragging your opponents to cardio despair every match. It's great for "winning" a sparring session (and tournament matches), but it's really crappy for improving your technique, which should be the primary goal of bjj sparring (unless you are just about to enter a tourney).

Not gassing is a vital BJJ skill IMHO ... you gotta use technique and "not waste so much ENERGY," as Saulo would say.

 

[Ghost Dog]

If you're gassing while rolling BJJ in practice, you're exerting way too much energy.

agreed 100%. you cant say you gassed like bj penn because bj gasses while being punched and kicked... he never gassed during BJJ competition. youre using words like 'i was so angry after class, ive only been weight lifting, etc' and for some reason it sounds like youre a white belt who is still using way too much muscle.

 

[franz_grinder]

What would you guys consider not exerting too much energy?

I've never been tired out in class but i love to give the other guys fits with my sub attempts and highly active guard.

 

[nyhcloyalty]

...and you gassed? Hmmmmm. Something is suspicious.

I have never gassed before, and I trained for about 1.5 years, then sporadic, then like I said I took two months off. Granted I am not in the shape that I was when I was training hardcore, but that's about to change now, as I am feeling better.

I had a shoulder problem that kind of prevented me from training the way that I wanted and I felt it hindered my game when I tried to train with it, but now's a different story.


Zankou, I have heard the same thing. Although when wearing an opponent down to that level you can pretty much pick and choose whatever you want to apply. You're right though, trying subs on a gassed opponent doesn't help the technique, but it sure does make ya feel better lol.

 

[nyhcloyalty]

agreed 100%. you cant say you gassed like bj penn because bj gasses while being punched and kicked... he never gassed during BJJ competition. youre using words like 'i was so angry after class, ive only been weight lifting, etc' and for some reason it sounds like youre a white belt who is still using way too much muscle.

1) BJ doesn't do drills such as lunges, hip escapes, and sprawls before and during the class.

2) I had previously stated that I am using way too much muscle (e.g. I don't mind finding mysef in a triangle as I usually am able to either pick them up, or stack them over so they fall back into side mount)

3) Am I a white belt now? Yes. I started training at Serra Jiu Jitsu after another school to which I was an orange.

At Serra's you start from the bottom, which is the way it should be. They dont transfer belt classes.

I said I was angry after class because my cardio held me back. I was mad at myself for not being prepared as well as I should be to return, my apologies if you found fault with that.

 

[rebelfolk]

Just relax, don't worry about thinking your better or worse than anyone, don't worry or upset if someone taps you. Its all part of learning and growing. Stay calm look for openings play your game, and continue to develop your BJJ.

 

[Bamaispriceless]

1) You ARE exerting too much energy...or at least wasting alot of energy.

2) Work on your anaerobic conditioning. Go to the conditioning forum...now.

 

[bjjbryce]

I really think that you can start out appropriately relaxed and still gas while training. If your cardio is bad, it's harder to stay mentally relaxed, and that in turn causes you to move less effeciently, which increases your exhaustion.

It's really important to have good cardio going into a match so that you can remain relaxed during it, because the little things won't tire you. The way I reconcile grappling specific cardio w/ relaxed rolling is to drill hard but roll relaxed. You should always push yourself physically when you are repeating techniques. That way, your grappling specific cardio will increase, and you'll be able to execute the techniques even while tired. Also, since you are only exerting yourself during the more physical techniques, shrimping, shooting, bridging, etc, you won't really develop the bad habit of overexerting yourself while rolling.

 

[MrFeeny5000]

i'm not sure about your guys' schools, but in my class we train EXTREMELY hard cardio for the first 45-50 minutes. every time i feel like im about to die. i thought i was in great shape but DAMN! hes pushing us hard as hell! its great but at the same time, when we get to rolling i am so gassed, and sometimes i just start getting submitted again and again

but its only my 2nd week.

im not sure if all classes train like this, and had no idea it would be like this going into it but i love it. however i feel like a noodle by the end of class.

 

[zizack]

I encounter a similar problem while sparring. In my class we usually drill some technique, then spar for up to 30 minutes at the end. I usually spend a decent amount of energy / gas in the first round of sparring and do awesome...usually tapping my opponents, but while working on technqiues I want to work on. The second round I always do well, but have a lot less energy and by the third round I am usually gassed and in survivial mode and play defense for 10 minutes.

To be honest, i like my approach. I get to try out new subs/moves in my first sparring match, really see what I can do with a full tank. Then test myself more and more to the point that i am in survival mode and need to rely on everything I have technique wise as well as in the heart dept. Do I exert more enregy than most of my classmates, sure. i also do really well against them. But I also feel ike I am pushing myself to the max and really seeing what i am made of, because that last round I am beyond gassed. if I can surviuve / learn new survival techniques towards the end of sparring due to being gassed....than ok, I'll take that experience so when i am in a tournament I will be solid come my last matches.

 

[Kingjonasv]

Hey bro! You always got to make sure your learning. Im a very border line grappler I swear one day I will roll with the same people and pass guard, sidemount kimure in 5 secounds. somedays i go in there and i end up right on my back, or i get guiteened 131 times. Ego cant get in the way. Always make sure your giving you fellow classmates the properfellowship I will make a collective analist after ever match, and i share my feedback offen times If someone is struggling in a particular position, or geting caught with the same sub. we will drill that. I have a hard time leaving my grecco and when i shoot in for my singleleg I get guiteened and dont know why!! I get a little better everytime i roll, but somedays I do get a little down on my self, Ill admite It kinda stinks when a white belt can exicute a perfect armbar or something. But you have to be supportive.

If you get gassed, work on low energy tactics, and energy concervation. If some tries to take my back, I can usally arc good and kick them hooks out pretty good when we drill, but when your gassed you may want to work on ways to nullifly your opponets progression, and wait for them to make a mistakeIv found putting my knee right under my chin then rolling into guard is another good counter. find many things that work for you. also find ways to make your opponet work, hell Scarfhold I dont even bother tring to sub people, Its a very hard move to get out of easily. sometimes these work better then quick submission attempts.

Hell what do i know!! good luck bro

 

[Kingjonasv]

1) BJ doesn't do drills such as lunges, hip escapes, and sprawls before and during the class.

2) I had previously stated that I am using way too much muscle (e.g. I don't mind finding mysef in a triangle as I usually am able to either pick them up, or stack them over so they fall back into side mount)

3) Am I a white belt now? Yes. I started training at Serra Jiu Jitsu after another school to which I was an orange.

At Serra's you start from the bottom, which is the way it should be. They dont transfer belt classes.

I said I was angry after class because my cardio held me back. I was mad at myself for not being prepared as well as I should be to return, my apologies if you found fault with that.

Its only human to get mad at your self bro, Im 6'4 and 210lbs right now so I know what its like to have an obvious strenth advantage, My style used to be very Physical, It was usally to my advantage to get people to scramble. Hell the more i learn the more fun i have with it, Ill let my self get in bad situations, just to see if i can put stuff together, lots of times i tap, but man these guys i train with are gonna be able to submite anyone, and that offen times outweights my emphisis on submission defence!! Serra's looks like a choice dojo man!! War on your develpment!!

 

[Hammer Time]

hey dont sweat it i almost died at the end of practise were coming off a holiday its expected.stay mentally strong and relax man. try some running not just joggin but try sprinting and jogging simulating a grappling match. good luck dont get down on yourself we all gas except fedor

 

[thecas]

Your weight and age. one solution is to drink nmore sugared water.