I feel awful.

Matt Thornton

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This story is kind of long, but I'd really appreciate it if you guys read it. It's really more MMA, but I think the grappling forum has probably the best crowd in it.

Yesterday I was sparring with the Boneyard fight team. Two of my coaches/teachers were training, and another guy also jumped in with us. We were all rotating in and out for standup for about 30-45 minutes, and then we put on the MMA gloves to roll on the ground.

Keep in mind, we all have the Combat Sports set of MMA training gloves and shinguards.

Anyways, Mike Littlefield (my coach, owner of the Boneyard, possible UFC prospect) says the rules before we start; begin from the clinch with no strikes, but striking on the ground. I do fairly well from the clinch, but all 3 guys I'm with are a little bigger than me and have more experience. On the ground I also do alright, but again, I'm a little outmatched.

All in all, the sparring session is going great, until the final round comes up. The guy (I'll leave him unnamed in case he comes on here) who was not a coach or trainer guillotined me several times, after I got tired and took some sloppy shots. At one point he ended up in sidemount on me, and as I got double underhooks to escape out the back door, he mounted me (I hate when this happens!).

I start to work out of mount as my coaches are telling me I have 30 seconds left. My go-to escape isn't working because I'm completely gassed. I shoot for an old escape I used to use; pushing him over the top and escaping by doing a backwards roll. He spins out of the leglock attempts, and here's where the shit hit the fan.

I'm exhausted at this point. I'm very serious about being the best at MMA I can be, and I've been getting beat for a whole session. I have maybe 15 seconds left, and it's the end of the sparring session, and I HATE being guillotined.

So as he spins around into open guard (him on his back, me on top), the second he faces me, I come down with a Fedor-style overhand shot from open guard. Think Fedor vs. Nog, when Nog had his feet on Fedor's hips, and Fedor was leaning his bodyweight into the punches. I throw it with probably 80% power; something I shouldn't have been doing. I was wearing the big soft training gloves, and I've been hit real hard with them, so I sort of assumed it would be fine.

Somehow, the angle and time I hit him at, was pretty devastating. He was definitely hurt; we stopped the round. There was a cut under his eye, and he complained that his eye was killing him. His eyesight was fine, but it hurt to move the eye.

I feel bad about this, since I really never spar that hard. I'm not the kind of meathead who thinks a sparring session is a fight, and I ALWAYS view it as a training tool and not a competition. For once I got a little too rough during sparring, and happened to have poor luck like this.

The guy who I hit was lurking around the gym. He was acting really strange for the next hour. Usually he's pretty social, and an easygoing guy, but for an hour he looked like he was depressed and deep in thought. When I went to take a shower, he was sitting on the mats in the dark.

After coming out of the shower, I was talking with my other coach Bobby, when the guy I hit comes in. He tells us he just threw up, had nausea, and complained that it was really cold. He was shivering like crazy. Bobby and I agreed he needed to go to the emergency room.

We drive him down there, and stop him from going to sleep a bunch of times while waiting for his turn. At this point we think it's definitely a concussion. When it's finally his turn, we get to his room, and he starts vomiting blood into the sink.

From 9 p.m. to 12 a.m., Bobby and I wait with him. He gets a CAT scan, which actually went pretty well. It was a concussion, but with no further brain damage, so they let him go home last night (which is when it happened). He's still freezing and has on and off nausea, but I think those were just symptoms of the concussion.

I had to leave at 12, because I'm 17 and by law my curfew is 12:30. As I was leaving, they were X-Raying him, to check on the orbital bone above his left eye. Last I heard, they thought it was broken. I'm kind of hoping it wasn't.

Anyways, kind of a long story, but it just really sucks. I'm hoping he'll heal up quickly, and that there won't be any hard feelings. He's really a good training partner and was going to be fighting probably this year. Still, I was a little surprised at what I can actually do. He said he's been hit harder than that, but it was just the timing and angle of the shot that did the damage.

Now if only I can keep that out of training and do that when I fight!
 
thats why i don't train mma...no broken face for me, thanks very much.
 
Don't feel so bad. The moment the guy decided to put gloves on and train MMA he accepted the risk that he could get injured. Injuries like this often change the way people think about taking up contact sports. He may even decide to quit because of this, but don't feel bad about that either.

So you went a little to hard on a few shots but apolagized later. It's all good. Shit happens.

You should keep in mind what this could mean about your mentality. Will you feel guilty after hurting someone in competition? Will that keep you from doing what you need to do in your next match?
 
greedysob said:
You should keep in mind what this could mean about your mentality. Will you feel guilty after hurting someone in competition? Will that keep you from doing what you need to do in your next match?

No, not really. If it's a fight, it's one thing. I'm prepared to do whatever I need to. It's just the fact that it was in sparring, I was frustrated at my lack of control in that situation.

But yeah, I feel less guity than last night. It was his choice to train.
 
greedysob said:
Don't feel so bad. The moment the guy decided to put gloves on and train MMA he accepted the risk that he could get injured. Injuries like this often change the way people think about taking up contact sports. He may even decide to quit because of this, but don't feel bad about that either.

So you went a little to hard on a few shots but apolagized later. It's all good. Shit happens.

You should keep in mind what this could mean about your mentality. Will you feel guilty after hurting someone in competition? Will that keep you from doing what you need to do in your next match?
true, but the fact is it wasnt a competition. i hate it when people hit me hard during training, because im not there to hurt myself or anyone else. and i can hit them back pretty fucking hard too but thats not the point of training.

anyways, to iceman, don't stress yourself out too much, whats done is done. but under no circumstances should you just shrug it off. its a lesson learned. its a dangerous sport and if you lose your focus people get hurt. dont do that.
 
randomg1t said:
true, but the fact is it wasnt a competition. i hate it when people hit me hard during training, because im not there to hurt myself or anyone else. and i can hit them back pretty fucking hard too but thats not the point of training.

anyways, to iceman, don't stress yourself out too much, whats done is done. but under no circumstances should you just shrug it off. its a lesson learned. its a dangerous sport and if you lose your focus people get hurt. dont do that.

Absolutely. I'm definietly not saying you should go all out in training. But he didn't mean to, and it was only one punch. It was unfortunate that it came out this way but that's part of the learning process. Every once in a while you find out you're stronger than you thought you were.
 
It was a accident and im sure everyone knows it. Sometimes freak things like that just happen.
 
Im just going to say what everyone else is saying, all in all, it was a "one punch gone wrong" sitution, and you seemed to take care of it and obviously you feel bad about it.

He knew that shit could happen when he sparred, and onfortunatly it did, sooner or later your going to get an injury while sparring.
 
It'll be alright man. I always hated a sparring session where it seemed one guy was going 120% when we werent even supposed to be goign 50%. BUt there is always that ocassional loopy punch (usually when ur both exhausted) the connects just right. It's the risj's of the game. As long as he has no perm. damage i wouldn't sweat it. But it does always tug a little on your gut that u hurt a friend.
 
I think it was silly that you guys were striking each other to the face in practice. Thats what competition is for. Anyways, I think in training you should NEVER hit hard enough to break a bone or concuss. Not even a direct hit should be able to do that much damage while training.
 
Don't feel bad bro. It happens and it was a freak thing. On one hand I think its great that you feel bad because that means that you have feelings for your friends. Plus at your age, its hard to imagine hurting someone unintentionally. I understand that. I am a big guy and have lucky to train with a lot of people (BJ Penn, Jason Mayhem Miller, Shogun and Ninja Rua, Jake Shields, Gilbert Melendez, Relson Gracie, Renzo Gracie, Roger Gracie, Rhalan Gracie) if I ever hurt one of them I would feel badly too. I think the way to look at it is this, what if you were the one who got hit, would you want the other guy to feel as badly as you do right now? Probably not. So don't feel too bad. You did all you could do. Check on him, take him to the hospital, stay with him, keep him awake, etc. You did more than a lot of other people would've done.
 
DaleCaliente said:
I think it was silly that you guys were striking each other to the face in practice. Thats what competition is for.

? Was this meant to be sarcastic?

I train at an MMA gym, this isn't BJJ. We hit each other in the face often.


And thanks for the kind words, guys. I guess I don't really feel "awful" anymore, that was more last night. I just wanted to put the story out there, something to read. And maybe something for future opponents to fear :icon_twis
 
Its not a freak accident if you dropp a Fedor-bomb on some guy in traning and gives him a concussion and probably a broken orbital bone. I dont think you cheer the fuck up yet.
 
Chill out...train some MMA then come back and talk, jeez. We are there to get hit in the face, and test our mettle...apologize, make sure there are no hard feelings, and move on. its a rough sport that we love and accidents happen. chalk it up to experience and keep it in mind the next time you lose your cool

in a fight, a more experienced fighter might have taken advantage of you and caught you in an armbar or something. always be aware of yourself and surroundings.

good luck
 
Sorry, but I think in the end it was your fault and you SHOULD feel bad.

You were tired and getting frustrated that someone else was getting the upper hand. Basically you let it get to you, lost control and lashed out and your training partner got hurt pretty bad as a result. A concussion and a possible fractured eye socket is NOT a small deal. That is not cool.

However, in the end I know you didnt really meant to hurt the guy & frankly - everyone lets their frustration get to them at some stage during training. We are all fighters and by nature competitive so every now and again our ego escapes the leash. To your credit you dont sound like the kind of guy to go "Ah, well. His tough luck. That's just MMA".

Ignore those people who say "Awww, dont worry - it was HIS risk. Just ignore it - accidents happen". You SHOULD worry because concern for a training partner is a good thing - not a bad thing. And if you just dismiss this as an "accident" you've not learned anything from it which is DONT lose it - STAY cool and DONT let you ego wreck an otherwise rewarding training session.

You would not want YOUR training partner to spaz out when YOU are getting the upper hand in sparring, injure you bad enough to put you in the hospital and put you out of training for a while.

Mate, make sure you get this bloke's number and check in with him & see how he is going. He needs an apology too - so he knows you feel bad about what happened and so that there is no possibility of any bad blood down the track.
 
If hes a normal guy who trains hard and likes to train hard, its a bruise and a story, as long as you apologize like crazy everytime you see him during the next 10 years I'm sure he'll be fine with it.
 
Judogido pretty much summed it up, it does sound like you let your Ego take over for a split second and someone got hurt as a result, the fact that you're so concerned shows that you aren’t an arsehole and it was just a momentary thing.

The lesson to learn is to keep your composure more when sparring, especially with strikes. There's a saying that the real measure of a man isn't how many mistakes he makes, but how he learns from them, and I think that applies in this case here.

Hope your friend has a speedy recovery and you are both able to put this all behind you soon.
 
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