Opinion I don't believe in democracy (yes, I am being serious)

Yeah, I actually just took it out of the garage for the summer (my daily driver is a modified Charger that used to be a cop car).

The Camaro is beautiful, but worthless for day to day life (at least during the winter). If I can get a good offer, I am considering trading in both, and putting the money towards an Audi S7. They are stupidly expensive new, but 2018 models depreciate by more than 60%.
I'm going to pick up my Mustang 5.0 Performance Pack 1 today. It is a 2019 but was still new, they slashed like 10,000$ off of the original price and I got Ford 0% financing so I bit the bullet (speaking of I was hoping that they'd drop the price of a 2020 Bullett like a few other places have but sadly didn't) and now I can give my tacoma a bit of a rest for the summer - I'm stuck at home so I won't really have to worry about gas prices right now as I'm not driving much nowadays.

I remember you had posted it a few years back and were unsure about the colour at first.

You're in Toronto?

I'm in Alberta and work is about an hour out of Calgary so in the winters its just best to have something that can handle the weather a bit better. But I've always wanted a 5.0 and even though I really didn't need it I just had to (with the discount and 0% financing, I put 8,000$ down as well).
 
Your right, establishing expertise is in part, subjective, and its difficult to achieve consensus among who should represent a particular sector.

However, there has to be some sort of in-between where we seek decision makers who have a background in the area they are responsible for.

I keep on going back to the Ben Carson example, which is perhaps the biggest disconnect between skill, training and experience, and what they are required to oversee. Housing? Your going to use the world famous neurologist and make him responsible for something he has no background in. That makes no sense to me.

While I don't know about America, cabinet positions are used to reward/punish members of Parliament in Canada. If you do well, your given a high profile portfolio like trade or indigenous affairs. If you do badly, your demoted to something obscure.

I would think the people who are best suited for a portfolio, are those who have years of experience in the area....not a game of potical musical chairs annually.

 
Im talking about WW2 when I say televised war man. I should have just said broadcast. And at no point did I try to justify French colonialism. I do not support what they did in Vietnam nor would I...

Here in the US, the VN War is widely regarded as the first televised war - which is the reason most will say public support for the war declined so rapidly.

Regardless, my apologies for misunderstanding your post - I was a little brash when I shouldn't have been.
 
Here in the US, the VN War is widely regarded as the first televised war - which is the reason most will say public support for the war declined so rapidly.

Regardless, my apologies for misunderstanding your post - I was a little brash when I shouldn't have been.

Nah it’s all good; I know how you feel. That stuff is monsterous.

I mean, I have a cousin who is a communist but that doesn’t mean I can burn her face off with Napalm
 
I'm going to pick up my Mustang 5.0 Performance Pack 1 today. It is a 2019 but was still new, they slashed like 10,000$ off of the original price and I got Ford 0% financing so I bit the bullet (speaking of I was hoping that they'd drop the price of a 2020 Bullett like a few other places have but sadly didn't) and now I can give my tacoma a bit of a rest for the summer - I'm stuck at home so I won't really have to worry about gas prices right now as I'm not driving much nowadays.

I remember you had posted it a few years back and were unsure about the colour at first.

You're in Toronto?

I'm in Alberta and work is about an hour out of Calgary so in the winters its just best to have something that can handle the weather a bit better. But I've always wanted a 5.0 and even though I really didn't need it I just had to (with the discount and 0% financing, I put 8,000$ down as well).

Oh the Bullet is so beautiful, especially in the special edition deep green. You can't go wrong with a GT though - with the performance pack trim, it's basically a Bullet, minus the 20hp, chrome accents and some minor tweaking. Considering you got $10K off the sticker price, you definitely made the right choice - I'm so jealous. I would be lying if I said that I haven't considered the Mustang, but after using a rear wheel drive car in the snow, I can't bring myself to get another one (especially considering the Mustang has almost 500hp under the hood... I would crash in fairly short order. And yeah, I live in Toronto).

My only grievance with the Mustang (and this actually has more to do with the dealer), is why does almost every GT have that stupid racing stripe? I remember doing a search on Auto Trader, and there were more cars with stripe, than without. I guess it's a matter of personal taste, but I just want one solid color... like the green or phantom black in the Bullet. God that car is sexy.
 
I guess you consider FDR a dangerous evil socialist who did nothing good for America?

When the conservatives where cleared out of Japan and Germany, replaced with socialist reformers, they built good and decent democracies. Under the guidance of the most left wing government in American history, and initially a Britain that had dumped Churchill for the Labour Party.

German and Japanese reconstruction are great examples of what happens when you remove the conservative upper class of otherwise conservative countries and govern them on socialist principles with international oversight.

For the record, since I know you don’t read any history, or perhaps anything outside an occasional Star Wars novel, Lenin was considered an extreme right wing deviation by leading socialists of his era, like Rosa Luxembourg. He was routinely denounced by the Democratic left.

The conservative German government agreed, hence their decision to introduce him to the unstable situation in Russia. They preferred the insanity of Bolshevism to the stability of a socialist democracy on their widest border; and who can blame them.

God damn, remind me never to get into an argument with you regarding anything political or historical. I would be besmirched in short order.
 
I agree.

It's theater. If you have ever read "The Prince" or "48 Laws of Power", they are good reads for describing the nature of realpolitik.

You know the prince is satire right? He is making fun of people who want to act that way.
 
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Mao Zedong, believing many Chinese were stupid and a danger to the system, manages to kill upwards of 50,000,000 Chinese during a four year period. The 'Great Leap Forward' aimed to rapidly transform China's economy and government.

In fairness to Mao, look at their place in the world now compared to before.
 
Oh the Bullet is so beautiful, especially in the special edition deep green. You can't go wrong with a GT though - with the performance pack trim, it's basically a Bullet, minus the 20hp, chrome accents and some minor tweaking. Considering you got $10K off the sticker price, you definitely made the right choice - I'm so jealous. I would be lying if I said that I haven't considered the Mustang, but after using a rear wheel drive car in the snow, I can't bring myself to get another one (especially considering the Mustang has almost 500hp under the hood... I would crash in fairly short order. And yeah, I live in Toronto).

My only grievance with the Mustang (and this actually has more to do with the dealer), is why does almost every GT have that stupid racing stripe? I remember doing a search on Auto Trader, and there were more cars with stripe, than without. I guess it's a matter of personal taste, but I just want one solid color... like the green or phantom black in the Bullet. God that car is sexy.
Mine is a solid black. I'll post a picture later. I'm not a big fan of the stripes; unless I was driving a Shelby 350 or 500 (a little out of my price range).

The tacoma will be for winter or when I have to do truck things. That V8 on the mustang is a guzzler - thank goodness I'm working from home for the foreseeable future and gas is cheap. Rear wheel drives in the winter are hell - I've done it before.

Yeah Bullett is sweet but they would not budge on the price - in the end the GT P1 is not that far off of the Bullett (that colour is great).
 
You know the prince is satire right? He is making fun of people who want to act that way.

That is a theory.

The point of my post is that politics has less to do with your platform, your expertise and your morals. It is primarily theater, show business and power politics. Ability to control narratives and sway the masses and influence people.

You can have the best ideas, the best intentions, but if you can't speak well and lack "political game", you are going to lose.
 
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I was toying with the idea of making this thread (and perhaps even posting about it in the War Room), but I don't want get dragged into an argument defending my position. I recognize that 99% of people will not agree, and there are men and woman who fought and died so that I could have the right to vote, so I don't have any allusions that I am going to convince people of my position.

With that being said, I don't believe in democracy, and have never voted. The latter has more to do with ineffectual politicians and a selection of poor candidates, but at my core, I just don't think everybody's opinion is of equal worth. Watching the situation surrounding COVID unfold, and seeing just how ill informed and stupid some people can be (and this refers to both the public and our decision makers), I am left troubled that a person peddling bleach as a solution to the virus, has the same say as a trained epidemiologist.

Overwhelmingly, the people I know vote for emotional or partisan reasons. While I can't say for certain, I would say the majority of voters fall into this category. Quiz people on actual policy positions, or ask them to make informed comments on their preferred parties agendas, and you will get back very little of actual value interms of insight. The same people who complain about shitty infrastructure and access, scream murder when taxes are raised. The same people who want to implement protectionist measures to keep jobs "American/Canadian", don't understand why the cost of living goes up.

I will be the first person to admit that outside of some very specific issues, I don't think I am informed enough to have a say on most issues. Yet, my vote counts just as much on issues that don't affect me, or know anything about. While I suppose the solution to his would be to try and become an informed voter, the challenge is that there is a wealth of misinformation, noise and the average person simply isn't equipped to gather, interpret and discern between credible/uncredible information. A casual glance at Twitter feeds or War Room posts demonstrate just how easy it is to desseminate disinformation and exploit emotional responses. Facts and data don't matter, as long as people can find that one supporting voice that validates their asinine opinion.

While it is not particularly PC to say this, most people are dumb/ignorant, and should not have any sort of bearing on what policies should be. I am not trying to be an intellectual elitist, I include myself in that "dumb/ignorant" category for anything that isn't rooted in my academic or vocational training. As noted above, outside of handful of issues, my opinion is worthless.

To further compound these problems, political leaders are just as dumb. I have had the opportunity to advise the last three federal ministers of the environment on issues, and literally none of them had a background in the environment. Our political systems plays musical chairs with our elected officials, rotating people in and out of "portfolios" as a way to reward or punish members of a party. Does it make sense to you to do a cabinet shuffle, and turn the environment minister into the education minister, and the finance minister into the indigenous affairs minister? (These are Canadian examples, but the same thing happens in America). The answer should be HELL NO, but for whatever reason, that is how we organize our political system, and these are the people we are entrusting to do what's right for the country.

Not everybody is made equal, and not everybody's opinion is equal. In my "ideal" world, we would appoint people based on a meritocracy - people with the skills, training and desire to serve in a particular role, will be the ones who help inform and shape policy in those areas. It boggles my mind that Ben Carson is somehow the secretary of housing, when the guy is a famed neurologist. I don't care what anyone says, that is dumb.

I felt the need to get this off of my chest, as the pandemic has really brought out the stupid in people. The never ending series of lies, misinformation, conspiracy theories, finger pointing etc. etc. has further deteriorated my already diminishing belief in elected officials and the public. Reading literally thousands of Twitter users denounce world renowned scientists, but embrace random conspiracies from a Youtube Podcaster makes me wonder whether COVID is nature's way of doing a cull on humanity.
Please continue to not vote. Thanks.
 
I was toying with the idea of making this thread (and perhaps even posting about it in the War Room), but I don't want get dragged into an argument defending my position. I recognize that 99% of people will not agree, and there are men and woman who fought and died so that I could have the right to vote, so I don't have any allusions that I am going to convince people of my position.

With that being said, I don't believe in democracy, and have never voted. The latter has more to do with ineffectual politicians and a selection of poor candidates, but at my core, I just don't think everybody's opinion is of equal worth. Watching the situation surrounding COVID unfold, and seeing just how ill informed and stupid some people can be (and this refers to both the public and our decision makers), I am left troubled that a person peddling bleach as a solution to the virus, has the same say as a trained epidemiologist.

Overwhelmingly, the people I know vote for emotional or partisan reasons. While I can't say for certain, I would say the majority of voters fall into this category. Quiz people on actual policy positions, or ask them to make informed comments on their preferred parties agendas, and you will get back very little of actual value interms of insight. The same people who complain about shitty infrastructure and access, scream murder when taxes are raised. The same people who want to implement protectionist measures to keep jobs "American/Canadian", don't understand why the cost of living goes up.

I will be the first person to admit that outside of some very specific issues, I don't think I am informed enough to have a say on most issues. Yet, my vote counts just as much on issues that don't affect me, or know anything about. While I suppose the solution to his would be to try and become an informed voter, the challenge is that there is a wealth of misinformation, noise and the average person simply isn't equipped to gather, interpret and discern between credible/uncredible information. A casual glance at Twitter feeds or War Room posts demonstrate just how easy it is to desseminate disinformation and exploit emotional responses. Facts and data don't matter, as long as people can find that one supporting voice that validates their asinine opinion.

While it is not particularly PC to say this, most people are dumb/ignorant, and should not have any sort of bearing on what policies should be. I am not trying to be an intellectual elitist, I include myself in that "dumb/ignorant" category for anything that isn't rooted in my academic or vocational training. As noted above, outside of handful of issues, my opinion is worthless.

To further compound these problems, political leaders are just as dumb. I have had the opportunity to advise the last three federal ministers of the environment on issues, and literally none of them had a background in the environment. Our political systems plays musical chairs with our elected officials, rotating people in and out of "portfolios" as a way to reward or punish members of a party. Does it make sense to you to do a cabinet shuffle, and turn the environment minister into the education minister, and the finance minister into the indigenous affairs minister? (These are Canadian examples, but the same thing happens in America). The answer should be HELL NO, but for whatever reason, that is how we organize our political system, and these are the people we are entrusting to do what's right for the country.

Not everybody is made equal, and not everybody's opinion is equal. In my "ideal" world, we would appoint people based on a meritocracy - people with the skills, training and desire to serve in a particular role, will be the ones who help inform and shape policy in those areas. It boggles my mind that Ben Carson is somehow the secretary of housing, when the guy is a famed neurologist. I don't care what anyone says, that is dumb.

I felt the need to get this off of my chest, as the pandemic has really brought out the stupid in people. The never ending series of lies, misinformation, conspiracy theories, finger pointing etc. etc. has further deteriorated my already diminishing belief in elected officials and the public. Reading literally thousands of Twitter users denounce world renowned scientists, but embrace random conspiracies from a Youtube Podcaster makes me wonder whether COVID is nature's way of doing a cull on humanity.

The USSR after Stalin was everything you just mentioned. Meritocracy
 
Mine is a solid black. I'll post a picture later. I'm not a big fan of the stripes; unless I was driving a Shelby 350 or 500 (a little out of my price range).

The tacoma will be for winter or when I have to do truck things. That V8 on the mustang is a guzzler - thank goodness I'm working from home for the foreseeable future and gas is cheap. Rear wheel drives in the winter are hell - I've done it before.

Yeah Bullett is sweet but they would not budge on the price - in the end the GT P1 is not that far off of the Bullett (that colour is great).
That would be awesome - really looking forward to seeing pics. After reading your post, I started browsing autotrader again.... a man can dream.
 
I was toying with the idea of making this thread (and perhaps even posting about it in the War Room), but I don't want get dragged into an argument defending my position. I recognize that 99% of people will not agree, and there are men and woman who fought and died so that I could have the right to vote, so I don't have any allusions that I am going to convince people of my position.

With that being said, I don't believe in democracy, and have never voted. The latter has more to do with ineffectual politicians and a selection of poor candidates, but at my core, I just don't think everybody's opinion is of equal worth. Watching the situation surrounding COVID unfold, and seeing just how ill informed and stupid some people can be (and this refers to both the public and our decision makers), I am left troubled that a person peddling bleach as a solution to the virus, has the same say as a trained epidemiologist.

Overwhelmingly, the people I know vote for emotional or partisan reasons. While I can't say for certain, I would say the majority of voters fall into this category. Quiz people on actual policy positions, or ask them to make informed comments on their preferred parties agendas, and you will get back very little of actual value interms of insight. The same people who complain about shitty infrastructure and access, scream murder when taxes are raised. The same people who want to implement protectionist measures to keep jobs "American/Canadian", don't understand why the cost of living goes up.

I will be the first person to admit that outside of some very specific issues, I don't think I am informed enough to have a say on most issues. Yet, my vote counts just as much on issues that don't affect me, or know anything about. While I suppose the solution to his would be to try and become an informed voter, the challenge is that there is a wealth of misinformation, noise and the average person simply isn't equipped to gather, interpret and discern between credible/uncredible information. A casual glance at Twitter feeds or War Room posts demonstrate just how easy it is to desseminate disinformation and exploit emotional responses. Facts and data don't matter, as long as people can find that one supporting voice that validates their asinine opinion.

While it is not particularly PC to say this, most people are dumb/ignorant, and should not have any sort of bearing on what policies should be. I am not trying to be an intellectual elitist, I include myself in that "dumb/ignorant" category for anything that isn't rooted in my academic or vocational training. As noted above, outside of handful of issues, my opinion is worthless.

To further compound these problems, political leaders are just as dumb. I have had the opportunity to advise the last three federal ministers of the environment on issues, and literally none of them had a background in the environment. Our political systems plays musical chairs with our elected officials, rotating people in and out of "portfolios" as a way to reward or punish members of a party. Does it make sense to you to do a cabinet shuffle, and turn the environment minister into the education minister, and the finance minister into the indigenous affairs minister? (These are Canadian examples, but the same thing happens in America). The answer should be HELL NO, but for whatever reason, that is how we organize our political system, and these are the people we are entrusting to do what's right for the country.

Not everybody is made equal, and not everybody's opinion is equal. In my "ideal" world, we would appoint people based on a meritocracy - people with the skills, training and desire to serve in a particular role, will be the ones who help inform and shape policy in those areas. It boggles my mind that Ben Carson is somehow the secretary of housing, when the guy is a famed neurologist. I don't care what anyone says, that is dumb.

I felt the need to get this off of my chest, as the pandemic has really brought out the stupid in people. The never ending series of lies, misinformation, conspiracy theories, finger pointing etc. etc. has further deteriorated my already diminishing belief in elected officials and the public. Reading literally thousands of Twitter users denounce world renowned scientists, but embrace random conspiracies from a Youtube Podcaster makes me wonder whether COVID is nature's way of doing a cull on humanity.

So you would prefer a meritocracy where only those who have shown interest, willingness, and competency to vote on issues have the ability to do so?

Well sir, have I got the book/movie for you!

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God damn, remind me never to get into an argument with you regarding anything political or historical. I would be besmirched in short order.

Lol that’s nice of you to say.

I just love history and politics. I waste a lot of time reading about them. To be honest I kind of wish I preferred trains or something.

I get curious about why people like what they like and I’m convinced that nobody really knows, we just have rationalizations.
 
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But one of your thesis is that virtually no-one has an expert understanding on the wide range of issues in modern politics/society.

So how would we know how to appoint "the best" when no-one is qualified to judge such proficiencies?

And if departments picked their leaders internally without accountability from outside sources... well, obviously such a set-up would go super-corrupt very fast.

Also, if these "the best" were appointed. What would prevent them from not following human-instinct and start serving themselves instead of the people like Monarchs of old? After all, they have no accountability since their ascent there was entirely meritocratic and not dependent on other powers. Be the best then live like Kings.
Bro, REAL Monarchy's never been tried...:cool:
 
"Democracy is the worst system for running a country. Until you compare it to all the other systems that have been tried".
- Winston Churchill
 
Democracy is way different than republic (also the rest of the junk, socialism, communism, nationalism and who knows what else).
Democracy is about being active since it's the citizens that hold power. The others are about being "active" (voting) every X years and then being told what to do while you're kept busy and entertained. So, you have democracy in one hand and oligarchy in the other.

Your problem is with oligarchy and yet you look up to it by dreaming of an ideal, fictional version of it.
 
Man was freest when he was a hunter-gatherer. It's been downhill ever since.
 
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