Hypothetical question about veganism

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Pugilistic

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I’m not on board at all with veganism, but I agree with vegans that there are a lot of unethical practices with factory farming. But even without taking into account factory farming many vegans seem to hate the fact we kill animals period. There are people who are against hunting and free range meat as well. I personally see killing for food as a part of life but what if in the future, scientists can grow synthetic food in a lab that looks, smells, feels exactly like meat (or whatever food of your choosing) with all the nutritional benefits, if not more, of actual meat? Would you be down for completely replacing all forms of killing animals for food, be it hunting or butchering livestock, with synthetic meat? We never have to kill an animal again unless by accident.

Would you, vegans, eat this synthetic meat, assuming science has unequivocally proved that it is healthy to eat?

How far should we go? Should we feed carnivorous animals in the wild synthetic meat since killing is bad? Should we replace vegetables and fruits with synthetic versions so we don’t have to hurt plants (by proxy bugs, rodents and birds) as well?
 
In this hypothetical, where a synthetic steak is EXACTLY the same as an organic steak...you'd have to be a real piece of shit to want to keep killing cows.
But that's probably never going to happen.
 
Fuck eating synthetic meat. Give me real meat. I'll go hunt for my meat. I also try and eat ethically raised meat most of the time.
 
I'm vegan.

I wouldn't eat it because I'm at a point that I just find meat digusting, even outside of the context of ethics.

That said, [most] vegans don't think that animals killing for survival is wrong. That's just nature. Most animals that are carnivores are obligate carnivores. They have to consume meat to survive.

We are not. If given the option to do no harm, I take it.
 
This thread didn't get deleted, it got scant replies and got buried and then you lost where it went lol

To answer the question though some vegans do it to reduce their environmental footprint, so the lab meat would need to be like a 1:1 ratio of inputs to please the sustainability crowd.
 
Dogstarman said:
Fuck eating synthetic meat. Give me real meat. I'll go hunt for my meat. I also try and eat ethically raised meat most of the time.
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Hey not a loaded question I an genuinely curious bc I dunno where you live and if you are going to the supermarket or a local store but when you try to buy meat you think is raised ethically what are you getting and where?
 
Da Speeit said:
In this hypothetical, where a synthetic steak is EXACTLY the same as an organic steak...you'd have to be a real piece of shit to want to keep killing cows.
But that's probably never going to happen.
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Well I imagine some people would like to maintain a "natural" lifestyle of hunting perhaps.

BEER said:
That said, [most] vegans don't think that animals killing for survival is wrong. That's just nature. Most animals that are carnivores are obligate carnivores. They have to consume meat to survive.

We are not. If given the option to do no harm, I take it.
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I guess the vegans I know are different. The vibe I've gotten is that killing animals in itself is wrong. But what do you think about feeding carnivores synthetic meat to reduce suffering in the wild? I remember as a kid I used to think lions were assholes after watching a nature documentary tear up a poor baby water buffalo.
 
ocean size said:
Hey not a loaded question I an genuinely curious bc I dunno where you live and if you are going to the supermarket or a local store but when you try to buy meat you think is raised ethically what are you getting and where?
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I think about it, then just buy whatever is cheapest because I'm a lazy poor fuck. The standards of what is considered "organic" and free range are much less strict where I live so an ethically raised chicken probably wouldn't be considered ethical in the US or Europe. It sucks that I don't know where to get grass fed meat here
 
I'm a vego[vegetarian] and i have no problem with some people killing animals in order to survive. If they live way out in 'the sticks,' it's ok.
However most of us in the west don't need to hunt anymore as we have butcher shops and supermarkets.
I already eat 'fake' meat products sometimes. These aren't the same as what you're talking about though.
They are all far too salty and awful!
 
Pugilistic said:
Well I imagine some people would like to maintain a "natural" lifestyle of hunting perhaps.
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The only people who get a pass, in my book, are indigenous tribes on parts of the world that don't allow for rich vegetation.

I guess the vegans I know are different. The vibe I've gotten is that killing animals in itself is wrong. But what do you think about feeding carnivores synthetic meat to reduce suffering in the wild? I remember as a kid I used to think lions were assholes after watching a nature documentary tear up a poor baby water buffalo.
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You got the wrong vibe. I've never met or interacted with a single vegan who had the idea that all of nature should be vegan.

As for feeding animals synthetic meat: They'd probably hunt and kill other animals anyway. It's in their nature. We can't control that.
 
I used to be a vegan, I used to be really afraid of killing animals, thinking it was wrong. But then I learnt something about soul contracts. Knowledge which was downloaded into me. Which means there is no evil. Even Hitler was not evil. He had a special soul contract. Now the world is a better place because of World War 2. Out of great contrast is born our ultimate preference. One day you will understand. The animals before they incarnated into Earth, they knew what they were getting into. And they are happy to give their lives to you as a resource. For there is no death. Their soul moves on and incarnates elsewhere.

But we should kill animals they way the native americans used to. Always try for the one shot one kill. Pray for and appreciate the blessings and sacrifice this animal gave you. But todays world wouldn't be where it is without factory farming. There can definitely be more compassionate ways of taking care of these animals and even slaughtering them the way they are now. But understand it is not as bad as it seems. The animals agreed to this before hand. They are not experiencing pain the way you may think they are.

I know this may sound hard to believe. But I used to be that "ethical vegan" guy and that everyone else was bad and evil. So I must of experienced some crazy experience to change my mindset. And boy it was crazy...
 
Pugilistic said:
I’m not on board at all with veganism, but I agree with vegans that there are a lot of unethical practices with factory farming. But even without taking into account factory farming many vegans seem to hate the fact we kill animals period. There are people who are against hunting and free range meat as well. I personally see killing for food as a part of life but what if in the future, scientists can grow synthetic food in a lab that looks, smells, feels exactly like meat (or whatever food of your choosing) with all the nutritional benefits, if not more, of actual meat? Would you be down for completely replacing all forms of killing animals for food, be it hunting or butchering livestock, with synthetic meat? We never have to kill an animal again unless by accident.

Would you, vegans, eat this synthetic meat, assuming science has unequivocally proved that it is healthy to eat?

How far should we go? Should we feed carnivorous animals in the wild synthetic meat since killing is bad? Should we replace vegetables and fruits with synthetic versions so we don’t have to hurt plants (by proxy bugs, rodents and birds) as well?
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it's within reach

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-23576143
http://www.fastcoexist.com/3044572/the-325000-lab-grown-hamburger-now-costs-less-than-12

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ocean size said:
To answer the question though some vegans do it to reduce their environmental footprint, so the lab meat would need to be like a 1:1 ratio of inputs to please the sustainability crowd.
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Da Speeit said:
In this hypothetical, where a synthetic steak is EXACTLY the same as an organic steak...you'd have to be a real piece of shit to want to keep killing cows.
But that's probably never going to happen.
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Pugilistic said:
I’m not on board at all with veganism, but I agree with vegans that there are a lot of unethical practices with factory farming. But even without taking into account factory farming many vegans seem to hate the fact we kill animals period. There are people who are against hunting and free range meat as well. I personally see killing for food as a part of life but what if in the future, scientists can grow synthetic food in a lab that looks, smells, feels exactly like meat (or whatever food of your choosing) with all the nutritional benefits, if not more, of actual meat? Would you be down for completely replacing all forms of killing animals for food, be it hunting or butchering livestock, with synthetic meat? We never have to kill an animal again unless by accident.

Would you, vegans, eat this synthetic meat, assuming science has unequivocally proved that it is healthy to eat?

How far should we go? Should we feed carnivorous animals in the wild synthetic meat since killing is bad? Should we replace vegetables and fruits with synthetic versions so we don’t have to hurt plants (by proxy bugs, rodents and birds) as well?
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This is actually a great idea and I fully support it.
I personally wanted to make a thread about this topic as I just donated 50$ to a such idea on indiegogo.


I would encourage people to switch from real meat to this, but personally, I don't know if I would eat any myself.
The thing is, I'm doing just fine without eating any animal products, and got used to it to a point that I find the idea of eating meat repulsive.
 
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Pugilistic said:
Well I imagine some people would like to maintain a "natural" lifestyle of hunting perhaps.



I guess the vegans I know are different. The vibe I've gotten is that killing animals in itself is wrong. But what do you think about feeding carnivores synthetic meat to reduce suffering in the wild? I remember as a kid I used to think lions were assholes after watching a nature documentary tear up a poor baby water buffalo.
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Non human animals are not moral agents in the way that we are. In order for (some) of them to survive they must prey on other animals and as far as we know they lack the intellectual capacity to contemplate the ethics of living such a way of life. That being said I really don't like seeing those parts of nature documentaries either. I can't stand the sight of any animal suffering even though I fully understand the circle of life.
 
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Can't wait till they make artificial human meat and I can taste it
 
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