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Hyper-masculinity in the third world - do Western conservatives really want to live like them?

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by Trotsky, Aug 22, 2018.

  1. Trotsky Steel Belt

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    I've mulled over this topic several times. But the recent testimonials of NBA players about depression and how growing up, particularly in low-income inner city areas, they were not able to discuss mental health for fear of seeming weak - it reminded me of the disparate existence of hyper-masculinity across ethnic and economic lines. Even within the society of the wealthiest country in the world (the United States), traditional concepts of masculinity persist much more strongly in poorer urban communities.

    For instance African Americans, despite having disproportionately high incidence of mental illness, are far less likely to seek mental health treatment; African Americans and Hispanic Americans are more likely to be averse to homosexuality; African Americans and Hispanic Americans are more likely to be religious and intolerant of religious liberalism


    But in poor communities and in underdeveloped countries from the Middle East, to Africa, to Latin America, traditional (to citizens of countries like the US, perhaps outdated) concepts of masculinity still persist to a much greater degree than even in poor US populations, concepts such as:
    • inability to discuss personal problems and demonization of emotion
    • small-mindedness, unwillingness to consider others' perspectives, or worldviews outside one's own
    • pathological need to protect one's own image of "manliness" through irrational display/use of force
    • hostility towards gender equality/women's rights and intolerance of sexual minorities (homophobia)

    Meanwhile, ignorant nostalgia for the loss of traditional masculine concepts is really only present in Western societies whose standards of living and overall happiness are some of the highest in the world - and really only at the top of those societies at that.


    So, social conservatives, do you see any problems here?
     
  2. Trotsky Steel Belt

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    Also, somehow, despite the apparent contradictions, Western conservatives (@Devout Pessimist, et al.) yearn for these concepts of masculinity, even while using their effects to claim that societies under their influence are incompatible with "Western values." Despite Western conservatives fighting against women's rights, gay rights, mental health awareness, and religious liberalism, they use opposition to such things as a reason to reject third world immigrants.

    Social conservatives seem to yearn for the values disproportionately held by underdeveloped countries while using those values as vehicles for discrimination against those persons: they call Muslims and African savages for these traditionalist cultural practices, while themselves deriding the "soy boys" and "lady boys" in their own countries for not being more like them.
     
  3. all caps Gold Belt

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    Western conservatives realize that if all western men turn in to passive panty waists there will be no one left to defend the western world when the 3rd world men decide to bring the fight here.
     
  4. Wingslaught Black Belt

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    Nice pontificating ya got there
     
  5. loyalyolayal Steel Belt

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    Dis gon b gud.


    I guess.
     
  6. DIDM Honk Honk Banned

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    These pussy “men” we have aren’t going to defend America
     
  7. Peter Smits Banned Banned

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    USA might have a high economic standard of living compared to the rest of the world, but I dont think most Americans are really happy. Obesity, social chaos, medication drug abuse, the dissolution of marriages and the family unit, and massive debt, is some of the worst in the world here. The potential for happiness is great here though, you just have to unplug from certain ideas, people, media etc
     
  8. Social Distance Warrior Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    Hmmm...interesting topic .

    Yea, even today men are still taught to never cry. (Only exceptions, if your mom dies, or your dog) .

    And if you cry you're a pussy, which itself is a sexist term and a symptom of the mentality you speak of in the OP.

    Men are taught to keep "control" of your emotions, never Express them and "keep that shit in ".

    It's no surprise we see more men "snap" and lose their shit.

    Personally, I think more men should seek counseling, to express themselves, etc.

    And on a related note, there was nothing wrong with

    Jose Aldo bawling after his most recent win.

    Gsp crying after he won the championship,

    Bj. Penn crying after winning the title.

    Joe Stevenson sobbing after losing to Bj penn.

    However, Andy Wang....after losing on Ultimate fighter...that was fucking embarrassing.
     
  9. Trotsky Steel Belt

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    Then they are fools for the reasons that you clearly did not read in the OP.

    Conservatives have railed against what they now call "Western values" for all of history - but now they're using it as a subterfuge for validating their reasoning for being constantly trembling in fear of brown people and passing it off as manliness.

    Yearning for the sociological makeup of third world countries does nothing to "defend the western world when the 3rd world men decide to bring the fight here." I think military strength and world economic prosperity are more meaningful considerations towards that end.

    Well, this certainly attracted quality, thoughtful responses.

    At what point is it just useless to even try to discuss substantive topics with conservatives? Even further, why are you guys here on a politics forum? You could be watching SpikeTV and getting your narrowly-focused political fear-sweating fix from StormFront.
     
  10. I have posted more than once that I have no problem with Islam taking over the West. It would be a good wake up call and might bring some much needed values, hierarchy, duty and discipline that western countries no longer have. The Natives in Canada would do much better being forced to live as Muslims than the so-called compassionate approach they are receiving now which has left many groups worse off than ever before. There is a lot we can learn from Islam.
     
  11. Rematch Female oil checking = AWESOMENESS!!!!!

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    Trotsky, what are your thoughts of liberals wanting and having mailined such personality traits from the 3rd world?
     
  12. bad mojo Purple Belt

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    You're mixing up two completely different things. Masculinity is necessary for taking risks, advancement, courage, sacrifice for the greater good, building and exploring, all the traits that made Western civilization good.

    None of the characteristics you've mentioned are necessary masculine, they are primitive. There's a huge difference.
     
  13. IDL Gold Belt

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    Things can go too far in either direction and become unhealthy methinks.
     
  14. dontsnitch Steel Belt

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    I have no interest in hyper masculinity as defined by the op. Reads more like a caricature.
     
  15. Rod1 Titanium Belt

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    Conservatives are authoritarian? go figure.
     
  16. Whippy McGee Meme Master

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    Problem here?

    We have public education, media, and government bureaucracies pushing the "pussification" of the American male. It is causing much of the issues males in this country is having as boys cannot be boys, and men cannot be men. (Waiting for a Liberal to now come along and take those words out of context boys/boys men/men).
     
  17. Living in an empty, meaningless society is what is making people mentally ill. They have nothing substantial to live for. Free Markets, big business and entertainment are killing everything that is sacred and meaningful. The therapists and feelings circles are merely useless band-aids that cover a gaping, festering wound.
     
  18. Trotsky Steel Belt

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    I don't know what "mailined" means.

    I'm guessing you either meant "maligned" or "mainlined." If it's the first, I have no problem with maligning such traits. If it's the second, liberals are not bringing in traits, but rather people. As evidenced by all of history and economy, those traits dissipate with economic prosperity.
     
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    and how are you stimulating the feral warrior lurking deep within your suppressed masculine psyche?
     
  20. I am wrecking fools on Sherdog.


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