International Hydrocarbon Wars: Russia, Saudi Arabia, US Shale (1st American Domino Falls, MBS Gets The Urge)

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  1. ElKarlo

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    Haha interesting topic veer there. Arabia was also a source if myrrh or whatever that scented stuff was from. Would have been a good source of wealth.

    The Persians also occupied a lot of the Arabian peninsula on the Gulf side. So there was that reason for going to war.
    Alexander was good at womping tribal nomads. He did it in Afghanistan but had to get cooties to get them to calm down.
     
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    Man, Afghanistan has always been a historical bitch-and-a-half for anyone that has ever engaged wading through and dealing with it. Alexander lost nearly as many soldiers in one day there as he had conquering all of the lands between the Mediterranean Sea and Eastern Persia. It wasn't really his thing to deliberately slaughter civilians, but that was disproportionately amped up as well.
     
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    Lmao. The US innovates it's way into record production with technology, engineering and the drive of capitalism. Venezuela throws away a turn key Cash cow for socialism.

    Don't forget, Bernie believes in bread lines!
     
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    Indeed, but why bring it today? ARAMCO isnt even close to being predominant to be called a monopoly and while i would like to see price fixing gone, i think the problem is that there was none.

    It stops being convenient and reliable when you start using it to dick around.
     
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    Wasn't all of this already included in the original NOPEC act? Trump himself blocked it the last time. So all he has to do is let it breeze through Congress (for the 16th time) without vetoing it and he looks like the triumphant hero? What a no-brainer. If this passes, the Dems are fucked in November.
     
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    Recently archaeologists have discovered Seleucid forts were maintained on Bahrain for a century or so after Alexander, and Seleucid forces probably controlled several coastal settlements on the Persian gulf.
     
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    Trump is going to eat Saudi ass like he always does.
     
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    My initial thoughts as well. But everything is topsy turvy in this post Corona world.
     
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    Personal wealth isnt, and Trump cares about his personal wealth above all.
     
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  10. HeffDoesWant

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    It's strategic, all fossil fuels get government support in some ways. My point was not so much about US debt, but lower debt for those with more reliance on oil.
     
  11. ElKarlo

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    Guerilla war is an awful thing to deal with. But he did manage to figure it out and stop it.
    I would love to find more contemporary sources. But the earliest copy of Alexander is from like 300 AD. Would love to see real details and not vague hand waving
     
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    It still falls short, but we can do a bit better than 300 AD. Diodorus is 1st century BC; Arrian, Plutarch, and Quintus all 1st/2nd century AD.

    There are numerous surviving ancient Greek and Latin sources on Alexander the Great, as well as some Asian texts. The five main surviving accounts are by Arrian, Plutarch, Diodorus Siculus, Quintus Curtius, and Justin.

    Contemporaries who wrote accounts of his life include Alexander's campaign historian Callisthenes; Alexander's generals Ptolemy and Nearchus; Aristobulus, a junior officer on the campaigns; and Onesicritus, Alexander's chief helmsman.

    In addition to the five main sources, there is the Metz Epitome, a late Latin work that narrates Alexander's campaigns from Hyrcania to India. Finally, there is the very influential account of Cleitarchus who, while not a direct witness of Alexander's expedition, used sources which had just been published.

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    This is pretty awesome from a historical legacy perspective, and he's most likely still buried in Egypt somewhere in the vicinity of the city.

    Alexandria is a major economic centre and the second-largest city in Egypt with a population of 5,200,000, extending 32 km (20 mi) along the coast of the Mediterranean Sea. It is an important industrial center because of its oil and natural gas pipelines from Suez, as well as a popular tourist destination. Alexandria was founded around a small, ancient Egyptian town c. 331 BC by Alexander the Great during his conquest of the Achaemenid Empire.

    Alexander's chief architect for the project was Dinocrates. Alexandria was intended to supersede Naucratis as a Hellenistic center in Egypt, and to be the link between Greece and the rich Nile Valley. Alexandria became a significant city of Hellenistic civilization and remained the capital of Ptolemaic Egypt and Roman and Byzantine Egypt for almost 1,000 years, until the Muslim conquest of Egypt in AD 641, when a new capital was founded at Fustat (later absorbed into Cairo).

    Hellenistic Alexandria was best known for the Lighthouse of Alexandria, one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World; its Great Library (the largest in the ancient world); and the Necropolis, one of the Seven Wonders of the Middle Ages. It was at one time the intellectual and cultural center and second most powerful city of the ancient Mediterranean region, after Rome.


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    He is for sure richer. Via back channel means and family and friends investment. The real richest people on earth arent Bezos and Gates.
    The world could of had a stable afghanistan if the US didnt empower the Taliban. The overthrow of the socialist Soviet backed government and giving advanced weaponry to the Taliban made it a mess. And unless the Soviets went full genocide it was doomed to fail. If the Taliban was never financially supported and had no weapons then Soviet puppet rule would of continued uninterupted for a while I am sure. All Jihadi opposition powerless to fight back and would die in jail or be executed

    Lets hope they burn through their Sovereign wealth fund and lose market share to the Russians.
     
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    As long as the average US producer breakeven goes back to being below market price, I'm fine with basically any outcome. That's the only principal goal and necessity, everything else will take care of itself and things don't need to be dramatic. I don't really mind the prices from a consumer POV for the time being considering how often I'm on the road for both business and leisure (though not so much now).
     
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    Imagine defending this, about half the forum did.

     
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    Haven't read up on him in years thought the sources were older. But that's not bad being only 200 years after the fact. Think Caesars also have a big difference between the event and the oldest existing copy.

    Too bad the Egyptians and not the Hellenistic peoples rule it. It'd be amazing by now if a dynamic society ruled it
     
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    I read something on him just about every week, but you know that's my boy. The biggest advantage Arrian and Plutarch have are that they had access to the primary sources of Alexander's contemporaries before they were lost or destroyed. Even for a figure as enormously historically significant as ATG, there is an unbelievable amount of information for someone that lived from 356-323 BC.

    As far as sources they drew from, Ptolemy is Ptolemy and one of his most formidable companions although Arrian suspected that he sometimes exaggerated his own role in several battles. Nearchus was an older soldier and mentor that was later made the Macedonian fleet commander. Aristobulus was a friend of Alexander's father who was with him for the duration, but a non-combatant observer political official and engineer.

    Plutarch focused on and penned a lot more about his character, personal life and relationships, with The Life of Alexander being the most well known. He knew so much about his childhood and teenage years in part because a privileged peer named Marsyas wrote about growing up and being educated alongside Alexander.
     
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    @dissectingaorticaneurysm

    Womanish?! :mad: That's fucked up. <45>
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    Interesting. I was under the impression that Macedon was a hickish backwater relative to Athens, and it wasn't until Phillip's successes that academics and scholars began trickling in. Was Alexander perhaps the most carefully observed child of the Classical period?

    Phillip was the ultimate tiger dad. Buys up all the best talent in the known world to guide, develop, and document his son to fulfill his imperial ambitions. The results speak for themselves.
    Certainly better than Pence's methods, and no less effective.
     
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