Hulk Hogan is a way better wrestler than most fans give him credit for.

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  1. Sonny Qc

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    His match in Japan were WAY better than most of his match in WWE or WCW.

    Solid technical grappling stuff here.


    Hulk Hogan actually did an enzugiri ^^^

    Sad Vince never asked/wanted Hulk to used is full set of skills.
     
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  2. evergreenrider

    evergreenrider #CantCornerTheDorner

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    I often wonder if Hogan was born with half a head of glorious golden locks
     
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    Falsedawn Mansa Platinum Member

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    Hogan was trained by Hiro Matsuda, OF COURSE he could wrestle. Dude was a single degree removed from Rikidozan, I don't think anyone questions his technical chops.

    Where people ding Hogan is when he realized that his character could get him over bigger in the US. Good for Hogan, horrible for American pro wrestling. Part of the problem now is that you're looking for a larger than life character because the actions in the ring don't mean shit. Contrast this to Japan where if you need a star...you just build one. It's presented as a sport, if you win the G1, you belong in the Tokyo Dome as much as the 10x champ. Asuka had a year long win streak and they killed that momentum with one loss. That's because her gimmick was the streak, not the record behind the streak, if that makes sense.
     
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    Did you just discover his Japan stuff TS?
    His match against Stan Hansen is a great brawl if you havent seen it yet

     
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    BEAST aLy 4 life

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    He won with that shitty 1 step Axe Bomber? Ugh.
     
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    terrible workrate in this match, although it may be hogan's best
     
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    "Horrible for American pro wrestling"? {<huh}

    That style had guys having 30+ year careers.

    Adopted all this foreign shit and guys will be lucky to have 5 years of actual money making years.
     
  8. Sonny Qc

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    Falsedawn Mansa Platinum Member

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    Who in the hell had a "30 year career" (lol) other than Hogan? You're lucky to get guy, much less guyS, and that's embellishing the fuck out of the truth.

    That "foreign shit" is why Tyson Kidd didn't die from Samoa Joe's muscle buster. It's why Minoru Suzuki can blow past 50 and put on great matches. It's exactly why countless wrestlers before and after can come in and put on a technical performance and walk the fuck out at the end of the night. Gotch didn't train a bunch of damn fools.

    And yes, it was horrible for American wrestling. That "indy style" that you guys bemoan so much? That's because Americans got hooked on the spectacle. If a big leg drop worked, why not a superplex? Why not a shooting star press? Why not a double moonsault? Why not a double moonsault off the top of the cage? Japan didn't do that. The Ace of the damn universe does a frog splash and crowds go nuts, tell me more about how Japan is so bad compared to America while the sloppy shit in WWE has dudes sidelined every other week.

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    Japan just dropped people on their head and did apron spots.

    Goddamn weeabos.....I said FOREIGN.......there's other countries out there you know.
     
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    It's not that he couldn't wrestle. It's that he knew exactly how much he actually had to wrestle to stay on top, so he did that and not a thimble full more. Putting on 4*matches routinely will take a toll on you, you can't be on top when injured. He's one of the smartest men in the business.
     
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    aldeniro78 Who cares

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    Lou Thesz said he's the best ever. Hard to deny.
     
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    Deezer is on some shit.

    <DisgustingHHH>
     
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    D.R.H. If you haven't heard...I'm the best! Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    To be fair, Suzuki doesn't exactly wrestle what most people consider the style Deez is talking about...although I'm sure a match with hurts like all hell, it's not that dangerous relatively speaking for rasslin.

    Have I mentioned how much I love Suzuki by the way?

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    But it's that Gotch influence that comprises the basis of Strong Style. The new style championed by dudes like Ospreay, Omega, and the like was previously in the realm of juniors. It's only in the last couple of years that you start seeing it in the heavyweight ranks.

    Hit em hard, but in places that don't do damage. That's the philosophy. That's the philosophy that made Inoki rich. When he deviated into trying to capture the shoot is where he fucked up.

    King's Road was a higher impact style, but Baba was open about his American influences and trying to bring the spectacle to Japan. There's a reason the WK main event was Tana's New Japan vs Kenny's New Japan. That dichotomy exists, and it's not like this is something new. NJPW JUST came around to the concept of ladder matches, let's not act like they're trying to blaze the train on ending careers indy style.
     
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    The problem is a lack of knowledge of history and you can trace it back to ECW as the starting point...or at least the worst parts of ECW. You had a lot of guys who brought international flavor to ECW mixing with the shit side of the promotion with all the garbage spots and Ian Rotten's of the world. It became morphed in popular culture that since ECW was all garbage matches and crazy stunts...then everything in Japan must be the same way since all those guys started in Japan. It's not accurate, but that idea has carried over until today where people still think the worst garbage indie stuff is the same stuff you'll see at every show in Japan.
     
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    That's also a really good point.

    Big Japan deathmatches could probably give the old ECW dudes a run for their money (shout out to Jun Kasai) but that's basically their niche. All the japanese promotions are so striated (hardcore, comedy, mens, womens, idols, high flying) that you rarely see crossover between promotions. Not like the US where you can go from one fall to hardcore back to back on the same card.

    It's kinda like the whole "Why not women in NJPW" argument. Why would you do that? They have promotions where the women are the only draw, why would you screw that up to shoehorn them into a New Beginning tour? But I guess that's just the philosophical differences at play.
     
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    And, he's an even better worker than he is a wrestler, which has been said, is where the real magic (and money) lies.
     
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    CRISIS ACTOR Looking for work Double Yellow Card

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    old school WWF was all about creating a character and having the moves match the character. In Japan a much higher work rate is expected by the audience which explains why Hulk had to work this way.
     
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    I remember hearing stories about some wrestlers in Japan trying to shoot on Hogan for real during a match, and he'd just overpower them almost greco-roman style and hold them down until they apologized. Dude was a tank in the 80s for sure.
     
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