Hughes/Penn I and evolution of MMA

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  1. Like A Bas

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    I just rewatched Hughes/Penn I for the first time in many years on the upset show. What a testament to the evolution of the sport. When I watched this one live on ppv, it was an exciting, fast, technically brilliant fight between (arguably) the two most skilled martial artists. It blew my mind and many others when Penn won.

    If I had seen this fight today, not knowing the names and faces and their legacies, it might be no more than a bright spot on the prelims. The fighters are comparably slow and appear to lack top skills. The ground scrambles, while technically proficient, are nothing special.

    Maybe I'm just stating the obvious here, but these guys were the best in the world, and they stayed relevant in MMA for years after this fight. I expected to rewatch this fight and see it as at least current main card material, but it really isn't. That's a long way to come in just 11 years.
     
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    Both of these guys in their prime could beat anyone in the UFC now.
     
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    Both of those fighters, in their prime, would easily be top 10 in today's ww division. Particularly impressive in Penn's case; a man the size of a typical 145er today.
     
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    I doubt that. 2015 Lombard would crush both esp 170 lb Penn. Comments like yours the one I made are pure conjecture and fantasy with no validity whatsoever.
     
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    I remember when opening statements like those were code for "I just saw this old fight for the first time but want to talk about it now."
     
  6. Like A Bas

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    lol I suppose so. Still the perspective change was interesting. I remembered this fight being way more exciting than it looks today.
     
  7. Like A Bas

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    They are the giants whose shoulders were stood upon. They don't need unrealistic credit, they have all the credit for building what we see today.
     
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    Elysianwing Mr. Mojo Risin' Belt

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    My rose-tinted goggles for any fight circa 1997-2007, that I enjoyed, are permanent. They all still blow my mind just as much as they did the first time I watched them, as the fifth time I watched them, as the twentieth time I watched them, etc.
     
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    i would like to see bj penn vs edson barboza
     
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    I envy you that. Time to fire up the old Pride box set...
     
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    andnowweknow The Giant On Whose Shoulders You Stand

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    Weird...but prime Penn would take barbosa apart.
     
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    Pretty sure Hughes would have a good chance at dry-humping guys Condit, Diaz, etc. Hendricks is basically Hughes with heavy hands. Askren has a similar style to Hughes as well; you could even argue Hughes is better than Askren due to being physically stronger and a threatening sub game. Heck, Robbie Lawler is the champ. I just don't buy into the game having evolved so much from 5-10 years ago, when you have so many ranked guys with leaks in their game, the way that striking was arguably Hughes' weak area.
     
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    Nicely stated, I agree.
     
  14. Like A Bas

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    I don't think the skillsets of 2004, even at the highest level, are able to deal with the skillsets of today. Bar is just too high now. You're right stylistically speaking though.
     
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    No way. Hughes would get busted up by the top 5 ww's. Hendricks would absolutely wreck "Prime" Hughes and Condit would bust him up bad.

    When Penn lost to Edgar he was what 31? He was in his prime.

    Overall i think people overdue how much the sport has evolved and i think a lot of these older fighters would still be top notch in today's game... but.. the sport has clearly evolved past BJ and Hughes. Just like it's evolved past Chuck, Tito, Shogun, and Wand. None of those guys in their prime would stand a chance against Jon Jones, and don't let anyone fool you otherwise.
     
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    I disagree with this entire post.

    And BJ should never have left Marinovich. His career took a noticeable dive when he left him.
     
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    His prime was every other fuckin fight, kinda got tired of it back then.

    (Penn's)
     
  18. GordoBarraBJJ

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    well fighters nowadays are prone to worrying about their jobs just as much so they don't "go for it as much" and are much more cautious.

    They want that reebok money - not gonna happen if they get on a losing streak because of taking chances in fights.
     
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    Very, very true.
     
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    "Evolution of mma" lol.....

    NOT REAL!
     

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