Economy Huge breakthrough in producing magnets that can handle 1,000 amps per square mm

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  1. PEB

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    These can be transfer into tokamaks to create fusion power at energy levels the world has never seen contained before in order for fusion energy to be produced at a level where more energy is created then used to create it. These small magnets in the video are already up to 20 Tesla's of energy and thousands of amps of power. They plan on scaling this up to thousands of kilometers of length in giant coils used to help the Tokamak to operate had very high energy levels at extreme temps to 20 kelven.



    "The last 12 months have seen very rapid developments in magnet technology at Tokamak Energy. Senior HTS Magnet Engineer Greg Brittles describes the team's achievements in developing a very neat, modular coil design that makes for extremely robust, easy to assemble, and ultra-stable high temperature superconducting (HTS) magnets. Greg shows a REBCO magnet that has produced a field strength well in excess of 20-Tesla, which we believe to be a world first. This crucial milestone for Tokamak Energy proves the possibility of high temperature superconductors to deliver the fierce magnetic fields required for fusion energy and the team are now addressing the challenges of scaling up these magnets significantly for use in future tokamaks."

    Just for reference for people wondering what 1 Tesla equates to
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    A refrigerator magnet is 100 gauss, a strong refrigerator magnet. The typical strength of the Earth's magnetic field at its surface is around a half a gauss. So those are everyday units of magnetic fields. There are 10,000 gauss in one tesla.Sep 23, 2014"
     
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    As someone who doesn't know the first fuckin' thing about what's going on here, this sounds like good news.
     
  4. surrealworlds

    surrealworlds <-----Jaime Koeppe----you're welcome

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    More energy created than used sounds good but doesnt make sense. Where is the energy coming from? Something is being used
     
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    I posted a description of what one Tesla equals to at least to explain the magnitude of the achievement that they have achieved with the energy levels they are working on. These are still really small scale compared to the actual monsters they plan on building.
     
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    No.
     
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    The principle is with nuclear reactors today they use fission that is used today produces energy by splitting atoms up this reaction produces energy that is used to heat water that is then used to move turbines and create electricity. Fusion produces this energy differently and could be unending because the the way fusion works it takes much less material to produce nearly unlimited amounts of energy many orders of many magnitude greater then the very dated fission.

    Fusion is what powers the sun. Atoms of Tritium and Deuterium (isotopes of hydrogen, Hydrogen-3 and Hydrogen-2, respectively) unite under extreme pressure and temperature to produce a neutron and a helium isotope. Along with this, an enormous amount of energy is released, which is several times the amount produced from fission.

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    Scientists continue to work on controlling nuclear fusion in an effort to make a fusion reactor to produce electricity. Some scientists believe there are opportunities with such a power source since fusion creates less radioactive material than fission and has a nearly unlimited fuel supply. However, progress is slow due to challenges with understanding how to control the reaction in a contained space.
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    This is where these massive versions of magnets can assist in containing the energy produced in the tolamak.
     
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    Fusion requires temperatures of about 100 million Kelvin

    So they have a ways to go...
     
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    Yes "Currently fusion is not usable because the power needed is greater then the power produced.


    https://www.iter.org/

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    Fusion, the nuclear reaction that powers the Sun and the stars, is a potential source of safe, non-carbon emitting and virtually limitless energy. Harnessing fusion's power is the goal of ITER, which has been designed as the key experimental step between today's fusion research machines and tomorrow's fusion power plants."
     
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  12. PEB

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    Yes but the progress they are making puts them at least in the right direction with these even small scale examples.


    https://www.iter.org/mach

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    ITER ("The Way" in Latin) is one of the most ambitious energy projects in the world today.

    In southern France, 35 nations are collaborating to build the world's largest tokamak, a magnetic fusion device that has been designed to prove the feasibility of fusion as a large-scale and carbon-free source of energy based on the same principle that powers our Sun and stars.

    The experimental campaign that will be carried out at ITER is crucial to advancing fusion science and preparing the way for the fusion power plants of tomorrow.

    ITER will be the first fusion device to produce net energy. ITER will be the first fusion device to maintain fusion for long periods of time. And ITER will be the first fusion device to test the integrated technologies, materials, and physics regimes necessary for the commercial production of fusion-based electricity.

    Thousands of engineers and scientists have contributed to the design of ITER since the idea for an international joint experiment in fusion was first launched in 1985. The ITER Members—China, the European Union, India, Japan, Korea, Russia and the United States—are now engaged in a 35-year collaboration to build and operate the ITER experimental device, and together bring fusion to the point where a demonstration fusion reactor can be designed.

    We invite you to explore the ITER website for more information on the science of ITER, the ITER international collaboration and the large-scale building project that is underway in Saint Paul-lez-Durance, southern France"
     
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    Well that's saying this is a step towards enabling us to harness power via fusion without needing greater amounts of externally supplied electrical energy than the theoretical fusion generator would output.

    Like a coal power plant that creates power, yet needs lights for workers and startup energy brought in from the grid

    Not that these super magnets themselves produce more power than put into their production
     
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    Of course I am taking about the functions of these magnets are to help direct the energy and operate at unreal levels of environments unlike what is seen with research today.
     
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    I could be wrong, but I think the question was about how anything can produce more energy than it consumes. And of course, it doesn't. But, @surrealworlds, that's where fuel comes into it. You can't just light it on fire like in a car engine, though you will note that in that case too, you need to put in energy (the spark) to get your fuel to produce energy and then once it is going, some of the energy produced goes back into the system to keep the fuel burning. In the case of fusion, a large amount of energy needs to be applied to the fuel to get it to fuse and produce energy and to date, as Peb has shown above, the spark requires more energy than you get back in fusion power.

    I hope this helps.
     
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    I'm sold at 'ultra-stable'. Waiting on these to be featured in slo-mo guys soon.
     
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    This is awesome and glad that Trump has enabled the innovators during his presidency
     
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    So say they may create the extreme non esrlthy environments necessary for fusion reactors to become a possibility

    Sorry, the create more energy than they cost buzz phrase attempt hurts their cause. As it really does seem like they're doing some great work for the future of energy, of which we are in a worrisome state for and in not convinced the a seer lies solely in solar and wind power.
     
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    Correct a continues energy stream used to keep the fire burning while extracting energy to use to power houses and buildings and cars as such.
     
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    Fusion would convert some matter into energy.
     

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