Economy Huawei News & Discussion: BT Will Build UK’s Emergency Network with "High-Risk Vendor" Huawei

I still scratch my head at how Intel stocks are a burning pile of garbage when the company itself is a pillar in the industry.

Yeah, fucking bizarre and it's been that way for a long time. Intel is a cash cow with major bread-and-butter semi segments almost completely cornered, has always been at or near the forefront of process technology innovation and plunges countless billions into R&D.
 
Meanwhile our president visits China regularly and already took out a loan when everyone already pointed out the different countries under China's debt traps. One of the 2 giant telcos in the country already assures everyone that they'd be using Huawei.
 
Huawei accuses FedEx of diverting documents to the US
By Jon Fingas | May 27, 2019

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Huawei's rapidly escalating fight with the US has taken a rather unusual direction. The company has accused FedEx of diverting two of its packages meant for China, and trying to reroute two other packages sent from Vietnam to other Asian offices. Both of the diverted packages went to the US, Huawei told Reuters, and reportedly contained "no technology" -- just commercial documents. The tech giant went so far as to provide images of tracking records, although it didn't offer a reason as to why it thought the packages went the wrong way.

Huawei was angry, at any rate. A spokesman said the alleged diversions "undermines [Huawei's] confidence," and that the company would "have to review" its logistics requirements as a result. It had already filed a complaint with China's postal regulator.

A FedEx spokeswoman said the packages were diverted "in error," and denied that the US government or anyone else had asked to send them somewhere else. It was "working directly" with companies to return packages to the right people.

While this could amount to a lot of fuss over nothing, it illustrates Huawei's growing outrage over the US' trade ban -- the company has already seen many of its most important US partners, including Google and Intel, abruptly cut off access to parts.

https://www.engadget.com/2019/05/27/huawei-fedex-diverting-documents-accusation/
 
Europe's data security dilemma: the Huawei debate
By Hannah Elten , May 26, 2019

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Last month, Huawei offered an anti-spy agreement to Germany, in order to ease the data security concerns and be able to participate in the country’s 5G mobile networks. However, without the same level of guarantee from the Chinese government, it is unlikely that the concerns could be eliminated. What would be the next step for European countries on this matter?

In an attempt to address concerns about data and cybersecurity which obstruct its access to the European 5G market, Huawei last month offered a no-spy-agreement to Germany. The company’s chairman, Zhengfei Ren, also stated that he would urge the Chinese government to sign a deal with Berlin that would stipulate Beijing’s adherence to the European General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR). While this move demonstrates the lengths to which Huawei is willing to go in the competition for Europe’s emerging 5G rollout, it is unlikely to eliminate the wariness of European policymakers. Instead, it is time that the EU adopts a more streamlined and timely approach to the development of its domestic infrastructure.

Pressure and warnings from the US

Huawei’s most recent attempt at trust-building with Germany comes in the midst of the country’s auction process for construction of its 5G network. It also comes a few weeks after the United States doubled down on its efforts to dissuade Five Eyes and European countries from using Chinese telecommunications equipments and systems.

In February, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said that it would be “difficult” for the US to cooperate with countries relying on Huawei technology. A few weeks later, the US again warned Germany (which leaves it up to its network providers whether they would cooperate with Huawei) that using “untrusted vendors” in its telecom infrastructure would put future information sharing at risk.

Varying approaches within the EU

5G networks are, indeed, of particular security concern. They rely on an ever-increasing number of connected machines and constant software updates in order to provide high data speed. This makes the detection of breaches in data security difficult, therefore making 5G networks attractive targets for hackers.

Last July, Britain’s cybersecurity agency reviewed Huawei’s engineering practices and found “shortcomings” that could expose the country’s telecommunication networks to new risks. BT, the country’s largest telecom provider, has announced that it will remove Huawei from its existing networks. In mainland Europe, France’s Orange has already terminated its cooperation with Huawei. And earlier this year, internal documents revealed that the European Commission views Huawei’s current dominance in the telecom vendor space as a threat to Europe’s long-term security and autonomy.

Yet, it is unlikely that Germany, and most other EU member states, will set up a blanket ban to Huawei or other Chinese telecommunication companies. An exception might be that certain EU governments would apply formal bans on using Chinese telecoms equipments in highly sensitive areas such as defense departments – but these will never get publicized. Outside of these areas, the EU views blanket bans as non-competitive and hurtful for its own economic development.

Especially when it comes to 5G networks, European infrastructure construction so far has dragged behind that of both China and the US. Many local providers in Europe are working with Chinese manufacturers in the telecom vendor space. Huawei, due to its deep market penetration in Europe and the fact that it also offers highly competitive prices, is a crucial partner for many European telecommunications firms. So far, it has signed MoUs with wireless providers in at least eight European countries. Under these circumstances, simply banning Huawei from contributing to 5G infrastructure could largely increase prices offered by its competitors. This could also delay the rollout of 5G mobile networks in Germany until potentially 2 years after the earliest adopters of 5G.

Silence from Beijing

However, Ren’s statement was not accompanied by a similar assurance from Beijing itself. It is therefore unlikely that Ren’s promise would succeed in eliminating the existing security concerns related to the use of Chinese telecommunications equipment. The Chinese security legislation on companies’ obligations to cooperate with the state does not grant exceptions for companies or their subsidiaries operating abroad. Judging from the Chinese government’s past decisions, it is unlikely that it would agree to signing an agreement of the likes described by Ren.

Furthermore, the EGDPR is a vast regulation effort and Beijing is likely to deem the opportunity cost that comes with always respecting it as being too high.

In recent years, the Chinese government has made an effort to at least somewhat be perceived as not engaging in Chinese companies abroad, especially the non-state owned ones like Huawei. They have also firmly and repeatedly denied any allegations of data security breach or espionage through Chinese telecom companies abroad. Therefore, it is inconceivable that Beijing would now agree to sign an intergovernmental deal to not do something they have never admitted doing.

https://globalriskinsights.com/2019/05/europe-data-security-dilemma-the-huawei-debate/

Looking ahead

Falling even further behind in the 5G rollout process would have long term strategic and economic implications for Germany and its fellow EU-member states. However, so would becoming overly dependent on Chinese technology throughout this process, and losing avenues of intelligence-sharing with its most important partner across the Atlantic. Both would have negative impacts on European companies operating in the telecommunications sector.

European leaders will thus have to walk a fine line of managing to prevent all of the above. Such an endeavor will certainly prove difficult – and even more so if EU member states continue to apply different standards and rules when it comes to telecommunication security standards.

A streamlined approach to developing and enforcing cybersecurity standards therefore should be the first step. Both the EU Council of Ministers as well as the Commission have recently indicated that they are envisioning such measures – but so far, dates of delivery have been kept vague. At some point, Brussels will have to set itself a clear deadline on the matter. However, with the pending EU parliament elections, Brexit, and a new president of the EU Commission to be nominated in the upcoming month, it is uncertain when this will occur.

On the other hand, it is likely that EU governments soon will commit higher, and more targeted, investments to further the development of its domestic 5G technology. So far, the only European companies offering competitive equipment are Nokia and Ericsson. Many EU economies still rely too heavily on their traditional competitive industries and do not seem sufficiently interested in expanding into the digital realm. It is crucial that the EU soon begins to form its own expansive digital development hub to avoid becoming dependent on any foreign supplier.

Lastly, if the US and EU were to scale back intelligence sharing over this dispute, outcomes for both would be counterproductive, as it could prevent the two partners from developing protective measures against espionage. Policymakers in both the EU and, even if currently not at the forefront, the US, are aware of this. It remains to be seen whether the latter will succeed in maintaining or, preferably, intensifying intelligence cooperation over time. If they fail, China will emerge far ahead after all.

https://globalriskinsights.com/2019/05/europe-data-security-dilemma-the-huawei-debate/
 
For those who are amused by unintentional irony.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/05/28/tech/huawei-lawsuit-us-china/index.html
Huawei calls on Washington to 'halt illegal action' against the company

My favorite quote from the article.

The embattled Chinese tech firm said Wednesday that it wants Washington to "halt illegal action" against it, calling US restrictions on Huawei an attempt to put it out of business. American politicians are "using the strength of an entire nation to come after a private company," Song Liuping, Huawei's chief legal officer, said in a press conference in Shenzhen.



It’s cute how the Chinese are just now learning that it’s no fun for an adversarial foreign government to target their industries. Baby steps....
 
For those who are amused by unintentional irony.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/05/28/tech/huawei-lawsuit-us-china/index.html
Huawei calls on Washington to 'halt illegal action' against the company

My favorite quote from the article.

The embattled Chinese tech firm said Wednesday that it wants Washington to "halt illegal action" against it, calling US restrictions on Huawei an attempt to put it out of business. American politicians are "using the strength of an entire nation to come after a private company," Song Liuping, Huawei's chief legal officer, said in a press conference in Shenzhen.



It’s cute how the Chinese are just now learning that it’s no fun for an adversarial foreign government to target their industries. Baby steps....

Exactly!

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Obama or Hillary would have let "WaWay" fuck them right up the ass. Actually I'm not sure of any politician with the balls to tell China to go fuck themselves.
 
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Meanwhile our president visits China regularly and already took out a loan when everyone already pointed out the different countries under China's debt traps. One of the 2 giant telcos in the country already assures everyone that they'd be using Huawei.

The fuck...

And man do you believe the results of the last election?

Not to mention the other loans and infra project deals with the Chinese that is more expensive than what Japan is offering. Its so depressing.

I hope Joko Wibodo does not sell out to the Chinese!
 
Yeah, fucking bizarre and it's been that way for a long time. Intel is a cash cow with major bread-and-butter semi segments almost completely cornered, has always been at or near the forefront of process technology innovation and plunges countless billions into R&D.

They are undervalued but AMD is getting closer and Intel missed out on smart phones. Nearly every company in that industry has taken a beating and is undervalued. I think Intel has had some delays too. Not sure. I don't follow it closely. But just like a year ago, AMD was still considered a joke and Intel was considered a very good stock. As I said before, there is a difference between a broken stock and a broken company. Intel and other companies just have broken stocks right now, not broken companies.

Micron is another example. Their financials are impeccable but the stock has been getting pounded. Probably the same with Western Digital and others.
 
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The fuck...

And man do you believe the results of the last election?

Not to mention the other loans and infra project deals with the Chinese that is more expensive than what Japan is offering. Its so depressing.

I hope Joko Wibodo does not sell out to the Chinese!
We're now in a proxy war between Taiwan and China. Philippinians is building a base 80 kms away from Taiwan.
 
We're now in a proxy war between Taiwan and China. Philippinians is building a base 80 kms away from Taiwan.

And we are the Proxy of China thanks to the 16Million treasonous Dutertards,
 
For those who are amused by unintentional irony.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/05/28/tech/huawei-lawsuit-us-china/index.html
Huawei calls on Washington to 'halt illegal action' against the company

My favorite quote from the article.

The embattled Chinese tech firm said Wednesday that it wants Washington to "halt illegal action" against it, calling US restrictions on Huawei an attempt to put it out of business. American politicians are "using the strength of an entire nation to come after a private company," Song Liuping, Huawei's chief legal officer, said in a press conference in Shenzhen.



It’s cute how the Chinese are just now learning that it’s no fun for an adversarial foreign government to target their industries. Baby steps....

Its kinda funny that the Chinese are now complaining against the USA about this ban bans of Hawai and ZTE have the Chinese forgot that in China Google,Facebook,Twitter,Youtube and other Websites are blocked? The USA did not made any cry cry cry about those but when uncle sammy bans one I mean ONE like as in ONE 1 Chinese company they all Cry cry cry foul!
 
AMD CEO Lisa Su confirmed to Tom's Hardware at Computex 2019 that the company isn't licensing further chip designs to its China-backed joint venture. That means that AMD's chip-producing joint venture in China will be confined to the Zen architecture that debuted in first-gen Ryzen and EPYC Naples processors, but will not move forward with designs based on AMD's new Zen 2 microarchitecture that powers the third-gen Ryzen and EPYC Rome processors.

AMD originally established the joint venture (JV) in China, called the Tianjin Haiguang Advanced Technology Investment Co. Ltd. (THATIC) in 2016 and agreed to license its x86 and SoC IP for chip development in a deal worth $293 million (plus royalties). The joint venture consists of a web of both public and private Chinese companies, including the Chinese Academy of Sciences that is heavily influenced by the Chinese government.

The Chinese government is known to provide preferential treatment to indigenous companies, so the partnership provided AMD with a springboard into the booming Chinese market. The deal was also thought to give China access to critical x86 technology, long an ambition of the Chinese government to help close the country's massive technology gap with the U.S., but the finer details of the technology transfer are unknown.

The agreement allowed Hygon, a Chinese server vendor, to design specialized processors based upon AMD's Zen microarchitecture, which is the underlying design of AMD's Ryzen and EPYC processors. Many of the architectural customizations consisted of specialized cryptographic elements that meet the requirements of the Chinese government, with the first products consisting of Hygon's 'Dhyana' x86 processors that appeared to be near-replicas of AMD's EPYC data center processors. We are told there are other optimizations to the architecture that are designed specifically for the Chinese market, but we haven't been given more details. Sugon, a Chinese government-backed server vendor, also had plans for a Zen 2-based exascale supercomputer, but the status of that project is now unknown.

Sugon also recently began selling new workstations bearing four- and eight-core processors that bear a striking resemblance to AMD's Ryzen desktop processors, perhaps signaling an expansion of the initiative into client products. We're also seeing more work on enabling the Hygon processors in the Linux Coreboot program. AMD representatives told us that systems based on the joint venture's designs will only include server and workstation products and that we shouldn't expect to see chips specifically designed for client systems (like the standard Ryzen desktop processors).


https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-zen-china-x86-ip-license,39573.html
 
AMD CEO Lisa Su confirmed to Tom's Hardware at Computex 2019 that the company isn't licensing further chip designs to its China-backed joint venture. That means that AMD's chip-producing joint venture in China will be confined to the Zen architecture that debuted in first-gen Ryzen and EPYC Naples processors, but will not move forward with designs based on AMD's new Zen 2 microarchitecture that powers the third-gen Ryzen and EPYC Rome processors.

AMD originally established the joint venture (JV) in China, called the Tianjin Haiguang Advanced Technology Investment Co. Ltd. (THATIC) in 2016 and agreed to license its x86 and SoC IP for chip development in a deal worth $293 million (plus royalties). The joint venture consists of a web of both public and private Chinese companies, including the Chinese Academy of Sciences that is heavily influenced by the Chinese government.

The Chinese government is known to provide preferential treatment to indigenous companies, so the partnership provided AMD with a springboard into the booming Chinese market. The deal was also thought to give China access to critical x86 technology, long an ambition of the Chinese government to help close the country's massive technology gap with the U.S., but the finer details of the technology transfer are unknown.

The agreement allowed Hygon, a Chinese server vendor, to design specialized processors based upon AMD's Zen microarchitecture, which is the underlying design of AMD's Ryzen and EPYC processors. Many of the architectural customizations consisted of specialized cryptographic elements that meet the requirements of the Chinese government, with the first products consisting of Hygon's 'Dhyana' x86 processors that appeared to be near-replicas of AMD's EPYC data center processors. We are told there are other optimizations to the architecture that are designed specifically for the Chinese market, but we haven't been given more details. Sugon, a Chinese government-backed server vendor, also had plans for a Zen 2-based exascale supercomputer, but the status of that project is now unknown.

Sugon also recently began selling new workstations bearing four- and eight-core processors that bear a striking resemblance to AMD's Ryzen desktop processors, perhaps signaling an expansion of the initiative into client products. We're also seeing more work on enabling the Hygon processors in the Linux Coreboot program. AMD representatives told us that systems based on the joint venture's designs will only include server and workstation products and that we shouldn't expect to see chips specifically designed for client systems (like the standard Ryzen desktop processors).


https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-zen-china-x86-ip-license,39573.html

I like Obama for most parts, but allowing the Chinese government to reaps benefit from American R&D through these technology transfers was one of his biggest mistakes ever.

Without AMD handing their IPs over on a silver platter, Beijing would still be years behind in x86 development.
 
This company can't catch a break. Any ideas on how long they have until the company starts to fall apart?
 

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