How Would You Change The Judging? (UFC Fighters Give Their Opinions)

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Published on Mar 28, 2016
Michelle asks coaches and fighters from Jackson-Wink MMA Academy about how they would change scoring in MMA. Donald "Cowboy" Cerrone, Holly Holm, John Dodson, BJ Penn, Mike Winkeljohn and more weigh in!

 
Lets make judging real simple. There are only a few ways to winn. KO. TKO, Tap out, corner throws the towel, medical stoppage, if none of the following occur, both fighters receive a loss and half of their purse is taken away. Making weight done on the day before and on fight night your weight must be within 2 pounds of that weight.
 
10 point system is flawed. There have been probably less than 10 10-8s ever which makes a 10-7 as likely as seeing a unicorn. Even if a guy fought the perfect round for a 10-7, that would probably lead to a finish anyway seeing as Lombard-Magny couldn't even get a 10-8 after 50 unanswered punches.

I think there should be 5 judges, and clarification of the rules in the differences from a 10-7 to a 10-8 as well as qualified judges who know the nuances of fighting like former fighters such as Ricardo Almeida. They should also be more liberal with 10-8s and not reward wall n stall/lay n pray.
 
Why don't they just give each fighter a score out of 10 for each round, if a fighter dominates the round and his opponent only puts up minimal resistance you can give the dominate fighter 8/10 and the other guy only gets a 2/10, it's not hard to see who is imposing his will and having the most success each round just score each fighters performance per round out of 10, surfing has a similar format and it is a rare day that you will see a decision disputed. even when rounds are very close there is still usually a clear winner of the round those rounds may score like a 6/10 for the clear winner of the round and 4/10 for the loser. At the end of the day no point system in the world can fix biased or incompetent judging.
 
10 point system is flawed. There have been probably less than 10 10-8s ever which makes a 10-7 as likely as seeing a unicorn. Even if a guy fought the perfect round for a 10-7, that would probably lead to a finish anyway seeing as Lombard-Magny couldn't even get a 10-8 after 50 unanswered punches.

I think there should be 5 judges, and clarification of the rules in the differences from a 10-7 to a 10-8 as well as qualified judges who know the nuances of fighting like former fighters such as Ricardo Almeida. They should also be more liberal with 10-8s and not reward wall n stall/lay n pray.
I think if a guy is so dominate to have required a score of 10-7 then the fight probably should not have made it to the end of the round.
 
Why don't they just give each fighter a score out of 10 for each round, if a fighter dominates the round and his opponent only puts up minimal resistance you can give the dominate fighter 8/10 and the other guy only gets a 2/10, it's not hard to see who is imposing his will and having the most success each round just score each fighters performance per round out of 10, surfing has a similar format and it is a rare day that you will see a decision disputed. even when rounds are very close there is still usually a clear winner of the round those rounds may score like a 6/10 for the clear winner of the round and 4/10 for the loser. At the end of the day no point system in the world can fix biased or incompetent judging.

Would never work, think about the arguments over what even a significant strike is, now imagine readings thousands of threads about how round 2 was actually 6 and not 7 out of 10 cause fighter A got a 6 after landing 1 less strike, etc
 
Big John lost me when he said that nobody wants a draw.

Whatever scoring system is used has to accurately reflect what happened in a fight.

If two fighters are equally good, then a draw is what you would expect.

Realistically, something like 40 % of all split decisions should have been draws.
 
Big John lost me when he said that nobody wants a draw.

Whatever scoring system is used has to accurately reflect what happened in a fight.

If two fighters are equally good, then a draw is what you would expect.

Realistically, something like 40 % of all split decisions should have been draws.

Agree totally. If no one was obviously dominant the fight should be a draw. Who the fuck cares who "won" a split decision anyway? It's basically a coin toss.
 
10-point must system doesn't work very well in MMA. They should score the fights as a whole.
 
Why don't they just give each fighter a score out of 10 for each round, if a fighter dominates the round and his opponent only puts up minimal resistance you can give the dominate fighter 8/10 and the other guy only gets a 2/10, it's not hard to see who is imposing his will and having the most success each round just score each fighters performance per round out of 10, surfing has a similar format and it is a rare day that you will see a decision disputed. even when rounds are very close there is still usually a clear winner of the round those rounds may score like a 6/10 for the clear winner of the round and 4/10 for the loser. At the end of the day no point system in the world can fix biased or incompetent judging.
Way too subjective, the range (while being more accurate in theory) is too hard to unify. Judges have enough trouble these days agreeing on a much simpler point system from round to round. It wouldn't work IMO
 
The current scoring system is close to perfect, it's just implemented horribly.

If judges just scored every super close round as 10-10, a won round as 10-9, and a dominant round as 10-8, it would lead to the correct decision being made in like 95% of all fights.

Poor decisions are mostly just a result of judges scoring every roundas 10 - 9.
 
10 point system is flawed. There have been probably less than 10 10-8s ever which makes a 10-7 as likely as seeing a unicorn. Even if a guy fought the perfect round for a 10-7, that would probably lead to a finish anyway seeing as Lombard-Magny couldn't even get a 10-8 after 50 unanswered punches.

I think there should be 5 judges, and clarification of the rules in the differences from a 10-7 to a 10-8 as well as qualified judges who know the nuances of fighting like former fighters such as Ricardo Almeida. They should also be more liberal with 10-8s and not reward wall n stall/lay n pray.

Pretty much my thoughts on the matter too. Although I think we should do away with the 10pt system altogether.

My ideal is a 5pt system, where rounds would be scored like this:

5-5 = Draw round. A winner cannot be reasonably picked. Too close to call.
5-4 = Very close round, with one fighter edging it.
5-3 = Close round, but a clear winner.
5-2 = Dominant round. Losing fighter was stuck in a very bad position for a large portion of the fight and/or was rocked/dropped/caught in a sub.
5-1 = Very dominant round, where the fight could very nearly have been stopped either due to strikes or submission attempts, possibly multiple times.
5-0 = Extremely dominant round, entirely one sided, very close to being stopped multiple times.

The vast majority of rounds would be 5-4 and 5-3, with 5-2 and 5-5 being slightly less common, 5-1 being rare and 5-0 being the rarest of them all, where a fighter only just survives by the skin of their teeth (first round of Frankie v Gray championship fight, for example)

If judges were to implement a 5 point spread in the scoring system instead of what is now an essentially binary system, we would have a much better reflection of what an MMA fight actually is.

I think if a guy is so dominate to have required a score of 10-7 then the fight probably should not have made it to the end of the round.

Only if you go with the current way that judges score fights, which is ineffective and nonsensical. Basically, as it stands now, 95% of rounds are scored 10-9, which is absurd. 95% of MMA rounds are not EXACTLY the same, yet they are given exactly the same score. Right now, a fighter damn near has to kill someone to get a 10-8 score and I honestly don't think I've ever seen a 10-7... And in that case, what is the point of even using the 10pt system? Why not just make it a 2pt system? Because a 2pt system obviously would not work for MMA... Yet that's basically what we're using.

A wider scoring spread is necessary to accurately reflect the dynamics of an MMA fight.

Big John lost me when he said that nobody wants a draw.

Whatever scoring system is used has to accurately reflect what happened in a fight.

If two fighters are equally good, then a draw is what you would expect.

Realistically, something like 40 % of all split decisions should have been draws.

Agreed.

Although with the scoring system I laid out in this post, I believe that there would be less split decisions and even less draws (which are like unicorns in MMA anyway).

However, there are always going to be close fights in MMA. It's just the nature of the sport.

IMO, we need an overtime round. If a fight comes back with a draw (or even a split decision), there should be a final, deciding round.

The UFC has had this system in place for TUF finale fights, like the first MM v McCall fight, which was meant to be a draw that went to a final round, but apparently Australia can't count properly. I don't know why they don't implement it in all fights, or at least championship fights.

I think it's be fucking great. Imagine the buzz of a close 5 round fight that went to a split and therefore a final 5 minutes. The tension would be insane.
 
I think if a guy is so dominate to have required a score of 10-7 then the fight probably should not have made it to the end of the round.

Under current rules yeah but i dont think it should be that way.

Narrow victory 10-9
Clear victory 10-8
Dominant victory 10-7.

Having the same score for a round which is basically to close to call (10-9) and a clear win is plainly a poor system.
 
The current judging system is perfect, as long as the judges stick to the rules and use MUCH MORE 10-8 scores.

The problem is they don't. Sometimes they score dominant rounds 10-8, sometimes 10-9.

Sometimes 10-9 for the other fighter. Judges are the only thing thats wrong with MMA judging
 
Pride was as close as perfect to me when it comes to judging.
 
Agree totally. If no one was obviously dominant the fight should be a draw. Who the fuck cares who "won" a split decision anyway? It's basically a coin toss.

I'd take it a step further.
Who cares who marginally "won" a fight 3 rounds to 2? Especially the fights we see hundreds of people arguing about on here.
 
Michelle Waterson should replace Ariel Helwani.
 
Pride was as close as perfect to me when it comes to judging.

In theory, yes.
There were some controversial ones there too.

But back to theory for a sec.
Ninja Rua dominated Dan Hendo for the vast majority of a fight. At the end Dan rocked Ninja, but was unable to finish him.
Dan won the fight by Pride standards.
This would be unfathomable by UFC standards. After all, Ninja was winning 95% of that fight, and a few hard punches by Dan at the end should not override that, right?
 
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