How would Till do against Bellator MWs?

[Hellowhosthat]

Till is overrated. The truth is we don’t know how good this UFC MW division is because they let Mousasi go. The UFC played a dangerous game giving Bisping the short notice shot and now their division lacks any credibility. GSP vacated and Whitaker was dropped multiple times into a questionable decision win over Romero. Then you have Adesanya not doing anything and retaining vs Yoel. Bellator’s MW division is superior imo. Lol @ Til being too good for Bellator. UFC casuals should do stand up comedy.

Come on dude Bellator doesn't have a better MW division than the UFC, that's silly.

 

[GueseGuy]

Come on dude Bellator doesn't have a better MW division than the UFC, that's silly.

Depth wise certainly not. But the best MW’s in Bellator beat the best in UFC. Paulo Costa’s best “win” is Yoel who is in Bellator now. Whitaker and Till are coming off of wins vs Gastelum who is just a fat WW who won’t cut the weight. Idk man SF blessed UFC MW 8 years ago so it’s tough to say Bellator wouldn’t do the same right now.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Depth wise certainly not. But the best MW’s in Bellator beat the best in UFC. Paulo Costa’s best “win” is Yoel who is in Bellator now. Whitaker and Till are coming off of wins vs Gastelum who is just a fat WW who won’t cut the weight. Idk man SF blessed UFC MW 8 years ago so it’s tough to say Bellator wouldn’t do the same right now.

Bellator has some good MW prospects at the moment, but I think to say the best guys in Bellator are better than the best guys in the UFC is a bit delusional to be honest. Mousasi is the champ and lets be honest he hasn't looked especially good in any of his last three fights despite getting the wins and he's getting to the tail end of his career. John fucking Salter just fought for the title.

Can we really say these guys would beat Whittaker? Cannonier? Brunson? Marvin? Costa?

 

[GueseGuy]

Bellator has some good MW prospects at the moment, but I think to say the best guys in Bellator are better than the best guys in the UFC is a bit delusional to be honest. Mousasi is the champ and lets be honest he hasn't looked especially good in any of his last three fights despite getting the wins and he's getting to the tail end of his career. John fucking Salter just fought for the title.

Can we really say these guys would beat Whittaker? Cannonier? Brunson? Marvin? Costa?

Yeah honestly I don’t think any of those guys are anything special. Just cause they fight in the UFC doesn’t mean anything to me. I’d take Eblen over all of those guys right now. The only one who worries me is Brunson because he can actually wrestle.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Yeah honestly I don’t think any of those guys are anything special. Just cause they fight in the UFC doesn’t mean anything to me. I’d take Eblen over all of those guys right now. The only one who worries me is Brunson because he can actually wrestle.

Yeah, but you know it doesn't mean anything to me either and I appreciate fighters from everywhere , but Robert Whittaker isn't special?

 

[Doctor Grudge]

MW is definitely one of the divisions where Bellator can compete with the UFC. You're crazy if you think a top 5 Bellator guy is not a contender in the UFC.

Israel is the best MW in the world, after that there isn't a big difference between a perennial contender in either org.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

MW is definitely one of the divisions where Bellator can compete with the UFC. You're crazy if you think a top 5 Bellator guy is not a contender in the UFC.

Israel is the best MW in the world, after that there isn't a big difference between a perennial contender in either org.

You think John Salter would be top 5 in the UFC? That's insane to me.

 

[TorontoTO]

You think John Salter would be top 5 in the UFC? That's insane to me.

Salter shouldn't be ranked that high imho. He got a win against Costello and had a nice streak so it felt like they owed him a title shot after so many years. Bellator MW rankings currently have a problem that no one has fought each other, other then Fabian against Costello, Vanderford, and Shipman.

Let's hope Coker uses the rankings at least in the future matchmaking.

 

[careto]

Eblen is good and has a lot of the same strengths that Brunson has, but his best win is Taylor Johnson so it's difficult to say how good he really is until he comes up against someone half decent. He passes the eye test for sure though.

Agreed, Eblen's next fight hopefully solidifies him ad the fighter we all think he is. I think a test like Murtazaliev, Edwards, or van Steenis would be good. However, I think Bellator's MW is too shallow right now to properly build him up, you could make the argument he is 1 or 2 fights away from a titleshot.

Come on dude Bellator doesn't have a better MW division than the UFC, that's silly.

I agree, aside from Mousasi and Tokov I dont see anyone having a shot at beating Adesanya, Vettori, Whittaker, Cannonier, Costa, and Brunson. Maybe Vanderford, Eblen, Novenyi, Cotton, and Rosta havr potential but as of right now, they would all have slim chances.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Agreed, Eblen's next fight hopefully solidifies him ad the fighter we all think he is. I think a test like Murtazaliev, Edwards, or van Steenis would be good. However, I think Bellator's MW is too shallow right now to properly build him up, you could make the argument he is 1 or 2 fights away from a titleshot.

As weird as he is to watch I'd actually love to see Elias Theodorou in the Bellator MW division as a reference point.

 

[SokoudjouFanboy]

As weird as he is to watch I'd actually love to see Elias Theodorou in the Bellator MW division as a reference point.

I have been saying he'd be a good shout for them since he picked a couple wins up after getting cut. I'd be interested in seeing how some of the young guys would do against him. He's got a bizzare but effective style and is kind of a knuckle baller in his own way.

 

[CorninginChristianburg]

As weird as he is to watch I'd actually love to see Elias Theodorou in the Bellator MW division as a reference point.

I said that as well a while back haha. I think a lot of fighters Bellator brings in from the UFC are good as reference points to help us calibrate expectations.

 

[SokoudjouFanboy]

You think John Salter would be top 5 in the UFC? That's insane to me.

I think the guy currently in the UFC's top 10 John Salter would have the best chance against is Darren Till. Maybe Uriah Hall?

 

[CorninginChristianburg]

I've been watching UK reactions to the Till fight and I feel sorry for them because I feel like British MMA fans actually do know the importance of wrestling, they don't overrate it or overlook it, it's just that the infrastructure isn't quite yet there in the country to excel at it. But guys like Aspinall, maybe could turn it around.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I think the guy currently in the UFC's top 10 John Salter would have the best chance against is Darren Till. Maybe Uriah Hall?

I don't think he has any chance against any of them tbh.

 

[SokoudjouFanboy]

I don't think he has any chance against any of them tbh.

I'm not trying to make a brash statement like Salter would beat him for sure but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say he has no chance. Salter is a specialist who has shown he's willing to take shots to relentlessly pursue the takedown and chains techniques together well. Then once he's on top he's got good top pressure and a great submission game, both things Till would struggle with. Till is pretty good at not over extending and getting him in a bad position to be taken down but by the same token he's never finished anybody with his power at 185 and I think that'd be key in keeping Salter off of him. I see it most likely looking like either the Van Steenis fight or the Mousasi fight depending on who ended up winning.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I'm not trying to make a brash statement like Salter would beat him for sure but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say he has no chance. Salter is a specialist who has shown he's willing to take shots to relentlessly pursue the takedown and chains techniques together well. Then once he's on top he's got good top pressure and a great submission game, both things Till would struggle with. Till is pretty good at not over extending and getting him in a bad position to be taken down but by the same token he's never finished anybody with his power at 185 and I think that'd be key in keeping Salter off of him. I see it most likely looking like either the Van Steenis fight or the Mousasi fight depending on who ended up winning.

I think the odds that @careto gave are about right. Till has extremely good hips and I think he's tough to take down unless you're extremely athletic. Brunson was taking him down imo mainly due to strength and power, once someone hits the hips Till does a decent chance of fighting them off, battling for underhooks, getting his weight back etc, but Brunson was able to blast through all that with raw horsepower. I think that's the aspect that dooms Salter to failure in a fight with Till. I think if he can get him down he can probably keep him there for a while (though I'm not sure he does much damage to him down there), but I just don't buy that he can get him down in the first place.

 

[tehMoose]

Bellator has some good MW prospects at the moment, but I think to say the best guys in Bellator are better than the best guys in the UFC is a bit delusional to be honest. Mousasi is the champ and lets be honest he hasn't looked especially good in any of his last three fights despite getting the wins and he's getting to the tail end of his career. John fucking Salter just fought for the title.

Can we really say these guys would beat Whittaker? Cannonier? Brunson? Marvin? Costa?

Marvin fucking Vettori fought for the UFC title and you keep praising the UFC MW division...

Mousasi, Tokov, Eblen, Vanderford are tougher matchups for Israel than any of the UFC guys you mentioned. And you know it's true.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Marvin fucking Vettori fought for the UFC title and you keep praising the UFC MW division...

Mousasi, Tokov, Eblen, Vanderford are tougher matchups for Israel than any of the UFC guys you mentioned. And you know it's true.

Marvin would absolutely murder Salter.

I don't think any of those guys beat Robert Whittaker, do you?

 

[tehMoose]

Marvin would absolutely murder Salter.

I don't think any of those guys beat Robert Whittaker, do you?

Of course, Mousasi would school Whittaker on the feet, he even called Rob his easiest fight in the MW division. The rest won't have much success because Rob has fantastic TDD

But against Israel their chance increase a lot. Even Vettori managed to take Israel's back.