How would more weight classes solve the weight cutting problem?

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Media guys keep using this as a talking point. But let's use 170 for example, if they get rid of 170 and put 175 instead. Then guys at the low end of 185 but can't make 170 are gonna start killing themselves to make 175. How does it actually solve anything?
 
It wouldn't. The only person it would benefit is Kevin Lee, who's calling for a 165 division, because it's his ideal weight. Outside of him, you don't hear much if anything about it.
 
It doesn't SOLVE the problem but it helps by giving fighters more options.
 
A 165 division is needed because of the plethora of talent that comes from the lw and ww division. It has nothing to do with solving the weight cutting issue besides giving fighters more options like @Reign009 said..
 
flowoftruth said:
Breathe you moron the proposal is weight classes every 10 pounds didn't realise i have to talk to you like a baby
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He's still got s point though (maybe s little aggressively put). I mean you picked 170 because it's then only division where this theory works. All the rest of the divisions it makes perfect sense for.
 
flowoftruth said:
Media guys keep using this as a talking point. But let's use 170 for example, if they get rid of 170 and put 175 instead. Then guys at the low end of 185 but can't make 170 are gonna start killing themselves to make 175. How does it actually solve anything?
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125 135 145 155 170 185 205

Notice anything?

They go up by 10lbs then randomly goes up by 15 twice then up by 20lbs. A d you really gotta ask yourself.. why?

It should be 125 135 145 155 165 175 185 195 205 HW.

Also one of the best thing about boxing and contributes to its success is the ability for 1 fighter to compete in multiole weight classes.. since ufc is doing super fights now and multi weight champs to create biggger stars.. this is literally the most sensible thing they can do. Imagine connor taking fights at 145 155 and 165 depend on the opponent and contract agreement
 
DrunkMonkMeth said:
125 135 145 155 170 185 205

Notice anything?

They go up by 10lbs then randomly goes up by 15 twice then up by 20lbs. A d you really gotta ask yourself.. why?

It should be 125 135 145 155 165 175 185 195 205 HW.

Also one of the best thing about boxing and contributes to its success is the ability for 1 fighter to compete in multiole weight classes.. since ufc is doing super fights now and multi weight champs to create biggger stars.. this is literally the most sensible thing they can do. Imagine connor taking fights at 145 155 and 165 depend on the opponent and contract agreement
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Yeah...
 
DrunkMonkMeth said:
125 135 145 155 170 185 205

Notice anything?

They go up by 10lbs then randomly goes up by 15 twice then up by 20lbs. A d you really gotta ask yourself.. why?

It should be 125 135 145 155 165 175 185 195 205 HW.

Also one of the best thing about boxing and contributes to its success is the ability for 1 fighter to compete in multiole weight classes.. since ufc is doing super fights now and multi weight champs to create biggger stars.. this is literally the most sensible thing they can do. Imagine connor taking fights at 145 155 and 165 depend on the opponent and contract agreement
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Look at 145 and 155, guys are still cutting crazy amounts of weight with a 10lbs gap. Aldo almost missed just two days ago, Max was rushed to the hospital. Conor is not gonna fight at 165 unless he can pick up a belt and disappear, + most guys who make 155 aren't gonna go to 165 when they see bigger fighters who used to be at 170 coming down. And 170lbs fighters who are forced to move up to 175 are going to try and kill themselves when 185 fighters start moving down.
 
The argument is that some fighters have to cut an insane amount because of the gaps between 155, 170, 185, and 205. For example (pulling numbers from my ass):

Lee might cut from 185lbs to 155lbs because he doesn't want to fight 200lbs WWs. That's over 19% of his BW. If there was a 165 division, he might cut from 190lbs to 165lbs. That's 15%, and each percent can make a big difference. Cowboy is another example of a guy who doesn't want to cut to LW anymore but doesn't want to fight much bigger WWs.

The problem is eventually most fighters will do insane cuts even if there is a weight class every 5lbs.
 
It wouldn't, by itself. It would just shift people around weight classes. It would work in combination with other measures, though.

Just adding more weight classes would give fighters more choices, but they'd still try to get away with the biggest size advantage as possible.
 
DrunkMonkMeth said:
125 135 145 155 170 185 205

Notice anything?

They go up by 10lbs then randomly goes up by 15 twice then up by 20lbs. A d you really gotta ask yourself.. why?

It should be 125 135 145 155 165 175 185 195 205 HW.

Also one of the best thing about boxing and contributes to its success is the ability for 1 fighter to compete in multiole weight classes.. since ufc is doing super fights now and multi weight champs to create biggger stars.. this is literally the most sensible thing they can do. Imagine connor taking fights at 145 155 and 165 depend on the opponent and contract agreement
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You lost me at imagine "Conor taking fights". I'm not going to waste my time discussing nonsense hypotheticals.
 
flowoftruth said:
Media guys keep using this as a talking point. But let's use 170 for example, if they get rid of 170 and put 175 instead. Then guys at the low end of 185 but can't make 170 are gonna start killing themselves to make 175. How does it actually solve anything?
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It doesn't. It enables more fighters to cut more to make a new weight class.

As you wrote, many who fight at 185 but can't make 170 will try to make 175.

Most who currently fight at 170 will try to cut 5 more pounds to make 165.
 
DrunkMonkMeth said:
125 135 145 155 170 185 205

Notice anything?

They go up by 10lbs then randomly goes up by 15 twice then up by 20lbs. A d you really gotta ask yourself.. why?

It should be 125 135 145 155 165 175 185 195 205 HW.

Also one of the best thing about boxing and contributes to its success is the ability for 1 fighter to compete in multiole weight classes.. since ufc is doing super fights now and multi weight champs to create biggger stars.. this is literally the most sensible thing they can do. Imagine connor taking fights at 145 155 and 165 depend on the opponent and contract agreement
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There's a 25 lb gap between 200 and 175 in boxing; the smaller increment gaps are for the smaller weight classes. And your suggested weight classes are not consistently even across the board; there's a 4.8% difference between 195 and 205, but there's a 7.4% difference between 125 and 135. Ten pounds at the heavier weight classes is not the same as ten pounds at the lighter weight classes.

In trying to maintain a 7.5% difference:
+200
-200
-185
-170
-160
-150
-140
-130

The difference between 185 and 200 is 7.5%, and the difference between 130 and 140 is 7.1%. You can't make their differences precisely equal unless you want uneven weights (i.e. 200, 185, 171, 158, 146, etc.).

But new weight classes isn't going to stop weight cutting, they'd need to implement hydration testing to do that.
 
it won't change anything guys will still cut as much weight as possible. This problem is not about the UFC or the commisions, the weight cutting problem is solely on the fighters shoulders.
 
flowoftruth said:
Media guys keep using this as a talking point. But let's use 170 for example, if they get rid of 170 and put 175 instead. Then guys at the low end of 185 but can't make 170 are gonna start killing themselves to make 175. How does it actually solve anything?
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they mean many more weight classes bra....need a 171,173,177 and a 179 lbs added...boom prob solved
 
flowoftruth said:
Media guys keep using this as a talking point. But let's use 170 for example, if they get rid of 170 and put 175 instead. Then guys at the low end of 185 but can't make 170 are gonna start killing themselves to make 175. How does it actually solve anything?
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by itself, not much.

in conjunction with other rule changes around weight cutting, it can do some good.

which is why that change was only 1 of the 10 suggested by CSAC.
 
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