How valuable is BJJ black belt in today's MMA?

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So it looks like everyone will be having BJJ black belts at this pace. Even Ashton Kutcher out of all people will have BJJ black belt before you do more likely than not.
A comedian Joe Rogan has BJJ black belt. I mean Dustin Poirier has BJJ black belt now and it almost sounds like some people think he's a good BJJ player or something.

And it's not like just because someone's second or third degree black belt, he's necessarily better than first.

So, question is, how valuable is BJJ black belt nowadays when a LOT of people have BJJ Black belts but can have a huge skill gap between them?
 
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JustOnce said:
So it looks like everyone will be having BJJ black belts at this pace. Even Ashton Kutcher out of all people will have BJJ black belt before you do more likely than not.
A comedian Joe Rogan has BJJ black belt. I mean Dustin Poirier has BJJ black belt now and it almost sounds like some people think he's a good BJJ player or something.

And it's not like just because someone's second or third degree black belt, he's necessarily better than first.

So, question is, how valuable is BJJ black belt nowadays when a LOT of people have BJJ Black belts but can have a huge skill gap between them?
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There are two types of black belts: competition proven and blackbelts who have never won a BJJ competitive match at blackbelt level (sandbagging doesn't count). Competition proven blackbelts, especially those that have won at world level, are always valuable in MMA. The value of competition unproven belts can vary wildly, but in the general case barring some exceptional individuals they will never be as valuable.
 
NeverCompromise said:
There are two types of black belts: competition proven and blackbelts who have never won a BJJ competitive match at blackbelt level (sandbagging doesn't count). Competition proven blackbelts, especially those that have won at world level, are always valuable in MMA. The value of competition unproven belts can vary wildly, but in the general case barring some exceptional individuals they will never be as valuable.
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Problem becomes the fact that first type of pro in MMA may just be good enough to stall out the second type of pro in MMA just cuz they have better wrestling...
 
Kung Fu Kowboy said:
Punch a black belt in his mouth and he becomes a brown belt... also didn't help the world champ being submitted this past weekend...

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Khabib is actually a good example. He's a competition proven brown-belt despite the fact that he never had a formal brown belt handed to him.
 
Kung Fu Kowboy said:
Punch a black belt in his mouth and he becomes a brown belt... also didn't help the world champ being submitted this past weekend...
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i always found this quote funny. it's often used by people who don't really do jiu jitsu or aren't good at it, but want to somehow downplay this deficit.

because if punching a black belt turns them into a brown belt... what happens when the black belt punches you?
 
randomg1t said:
i always found this quote funny. it's often used by people who don't really do jiu jitsu or aren't good at it, but want to somehow downplay this deficit.

because if punching a black belt turns them into a brown belt... what happens when the black belt punches you?
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Who actually said it, Hughes?
 
randomg1t said:
i always found this quote funny. it's often used by people who don't really do jiu jitsu or aren't good at it, but want to somehow downplay this deficit.

because if punching a black belt turns them into a brown belt... what happens when the black belt punches you?
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I don't know but Bibiano vs Kid was a good fight. Maybe a robbbery. Pity Bibiano never came to the UFC and stayed in a regional circuit.
 
It's very valuable, but if you can't wrestle you're going to lose to a solid wrestler 9/10 times. The biggest problem I see is when guys rely entirely on their jits and never learn how to wrestle. It's so much easier to have a wrestling background and learn submission defense than to have a jits background and submit a wrestler from your back.

I'm not an athlete though, so take my thoughts with a grain of salt.
 
randomg1t said:
i always found this quote funny. it's often used by people who don't really do jiu jitsu or aren't good at it, but want to somehow downplay this deficit.

because if punching a black belt turns them into a brown belt... what happens when the black belt punches you?
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I think the quote was more applicable 10-20 years ago when jits guys were specifically jits guys. Now people train so much in so many different areas that a jits specialist may very well break your nose. Even Demian Maia had to evolve his wrestling/standup game to stay near the top.
 
JustOnce said:
So it looks like everyone will be having BJJ black belts at this pace. Even Ashton Kutcher out of all people will have BJJ black belt before you do more likely than not.
A comedian Joe Rogan has BJJ black belt. I mean Dustin Poirier has BJJ black belt now and it almost sounds like some people think he's a good BJJ player or something.

And it's not like just because someone's second or third degree black belt, he's necessarily better than first.

So, question is, how valuable is BJJ black belt nowadays when a LOT of people have BJJ Black belts but can have a huge skill gap between them?
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It's the same for all belt ranked martial arts. It's a measurement of time in and techniques learned. Perceived skill but doesn't mean there isn't lower ranked belts that can beat them. At the end of the day it's always dependent on the individuals skill. That's the real measurement.
 
JustOnce said:
Problem becomes the fact that first type of pro in MMA may just be good enough to stall out the second type of pro in MMA just cuz they have better wrestling...
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You can tell you never done bjj. Even the wrestler need to learn defence bjj which is still Bjj. Every mma fighter need to know some bjj, especially if you want to be a world champ.

Khabib uses mostly sambo but he also uses bjj.
 
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