How to finish the ArmTriangle (SideChoke, Kata gatame)?

[Gordinho]

Old Problem that i want to solve: How you guys finish the Arm triangle?

You do close the "mata leon" Grip or just "flex the biceps with an gabelgrip (sort of)" for the finish. There is a point of losing to much energy while going for it - its to hard to finish.

For sure i work my body angle to increase the pressure, but i think that i made to much mistake's to work on it as a high percentage move.

best regards, G.

 

[Born_To_Die]

My teacher shows it with the gable grip instead of the arm triangle. His logic is that while the triangle style works, it takes away your ability to keep closing the choke tighter using your arms (I'm a skinny guy so my squeeze isn't as tight considering my arms don't have much beef to em').

With the gable grip, he doesn't exactly say flex the bicep, but rather try to touch/drop your shoulder through his neck to the mat as you get the angle. Concentrating my bodyweight across his neck by dropping my shoulder is just easier for me with the gable grip.

One of my favorite ways of getting the choke is having the back with double underhooks, letting him scoot out to the side and make him think he is escaping from a bad position into a better one. All I have to do is keep sliding one of my underhooks around his head and arm, coming to his side, locking the gable grip and choke. Real sneaky if you get good with it.

 

[dza76wutang]

using the RNC grip, if I can't finish, I'll put my closer knee on their belly and drive my shoulder down. It may become a neck crank, but a tap's a tap.

 

[FlameBoy]

Squeezing is NOT the way - said this numerous times before - Ill try and find some threads. Its all about the BREATHING.

 

[FlameBoy]

Try this -

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f12/arm-triangle-tips-896955/

This was a reply to an RNC question -
Quote:
Originally Posted by irie267
Make sure the move is tight; also keep your opponents body close to you and take a deep breath. This expands your body against your opponents making the choke tighter.

This is ALMOST exactley the same way I do it - but one bit has been missed out. Empty your lungs completely - squeeze with your arms -THEN breath in!!

always gets the tap - if its sunk in!

 

[JoeMTL]

One of my favorite ways of getting the choke is having the back with double underhooks, letting him scoot out to the side and make him think he is escaping from a bad position into a better one. All I have to do is keep sliding one of my underhooks around his head and arm, coming to his side, locking the gable grip and choke. Real sneaky if you get good with it.

Thank you for the idea, I can't wait to try that

 

[KneeOnSkull]

I think the biggest issue people have with finishing the arm triangle, or darce for that matter is getting the choking arm deep enough.

if its your right arm going around the neck and your left hand that is going to lock it up.....mata leon style or gable grip....before you commit to locking it up put your left palm on the side of his face/head OR his right tricep/shoulder and push your choking arm in through as much as possible.....twist it side to side as you are doing this. seriously....take this extra step and you'll probally get your arm 2 to 4 more inches deeper....making the choke that much tighter.

you lose a little control for a second doing this....but your finishing rate will be much higher and the choke is going to come on that much faster.

my 2 cents

 

[krellik]

One option that I learned recently that was new to me was that if you didnt have any luck with the normal variations was with the rearnaked grip/bicep grip was to sit out and arch your back backwards, does that description make sense?

Im sure its a super normal variation that everyone knows but it was new to me and it seemed to get tight in drilling, unfortunately I havent got the chance to play with it in sparring since I havent gone for armtriangles in a little while honestly...

 

[FWTG]

I finish with both depending on the circumstance however I generally prefer the gable grip variation the most. This is due to a couple different factors.

1) Easier to get into position quickly and effectively especially good for those with shorter arms and can add an extra element of surprise not giving him time to work escapes as your setting up your grips.

2) Doesn't rely much at all on arm strength and squeezing to finish but rather positioning and your weight driving into the choke. When done correctly can be so much tighter with minimal effort


They both work but imo the gable grip pry and walk while focusing all your weight on the trapped arm and neck is the most effective.

 

[JoshGrrrr]

My teacher shows it with the gable grip instead of the arm triangle. His logic is that while the triangle style works, it takes away your ability to keep closing the choke tighter using your arms (I'm a skinny guy so my squeeze isn't as tight considering my arms don't have much beef to em').

With the gable grip, he doesn't exactly say flex the bicep, but rather try to touch/drop your shoulder through his neck to the mat as you get the angle. Concentrating my bodyweight across his neck by dropping my shoulder is just easier for me with the gable grip.

One of my favorite ways of getting the choke is having the back with double underhooks, letting him scoot out to the side and make him think he is escaping from a bad position into a better one. All I have to do is keep sliding one of my underhooks around his head and arm, coming to his side, locking the gable grip and choke. Real sneaky if you get good with it.

You can tighten it by creeping your hand farther up your bicep instead of putting it at the bottom of the bicep in the pit of your elbow.

 

[randomg1t]

key points for me are:

- gable grip
- keep hips low, but stay on your toes
- turn your heels away from him and slowly walk backwards, tightening the choke
- don't squeeze at all (and this is actually quite important), have your arms relaxed, that way it'll sink in perfectly
- concentrate on dropping all the weight on your biceps, but as stated above keep the biceps relaxed

im sure there are other variations, but this has actually worked really well for me.

 

[Born_To_Die]

The deep breath is a big part of it for both grips, I tried it last night on a few different people with and without the breath (drilling, not rolling). Almost all of the people I did it on said the breath made it tighter, I just wish I could remember to do that more often during live rolls.

 

[Gabicho]

And just to spice things up...
Does anyone here ever try to finish the arm triangle from mount?
I often i lock the arm triangle very tightly while in mount (or guard), but i always transition to side control - and i've never tried to finish from mount as far as i remember.

I've seen people finish it from mount, but it doesn't quite convince me yet, because i've never seen it work against someone worth their money. Assuming you CAN'T get to side control (or for some weird reason you don't want to) - what would some good pointers be to finish it from mount?

 

[FWTG]

And just to spice things up...
Does anyone here ever try to finish the arm triangle from mount?
I often i lock the arm triangle very tightly while in mount (or guard), but i always transition to side control - and i've never tried to finish from mount as far as i remember.

I've seen people finish it from mount, but it doesn't quite convince me yet, because i've never seen it work against someone worth their money. Assuming you CAN'T get to side control (or for some weird reason you don't want to) - what would some good pointers be to finish it from mount?

Grapevine so he cant roll you and your good to go.

 

[Born_To_Die]

I like to put my feet on his hips in mount, gives me a sense of his movement and a quick transition to knee on belly and side control if need be. Putting your feet on his hips can also help in getting to a higher mount.