Discussion in 'Standup Technique' started by Silva_fan, Sep 4, 2005.
in thai-boxing, any pictures or vids ?
in what format, in the ring, in the cage.
MMA or thaiboxing itself?
thaiboxing yea, ring
You could just step around and trip him over your leg.
Throw elbows to the body till he doesn't want to be there, same with throwing knees on him.
Bend him over backwards, that hurts (works well if your the shorter guy. If your taller try and bend him over so you can knee him in the head).
You could also, if the pair of you aren't doing much work, hold on and the ref will seperate you, but thats just boring.
Ducking down is obviously a no no
Thanks a lot, do you know of any K-1 fights or maybe Pride/UFC I should look at where this happens a lot?
I've watched footage of Rob Kaman doing something like this where he bent his opponent to the side and brought up a knee.
there are many methods but i like the one where i put my right arm over his arms and towards his necks and pull away with my shoulders when he is trying to pull my head down.
You'd be hard pressed to find anything in the K1 areana, clinchs get broken up pretty fast because its not in the rules.
You'd don't want to be copying pride or ufc either, they usually go for take downs and things that are a no no in a pure stand up fight.
Get your hands on some thai fighs (as in thais fighting), that should help you a bit.
One of our bigger lads at my club does the same thing Sir. He gets more leverage by moving his left hand over their right side of the neck (from his pov) and gets the access that way (does it both out front if the arm and should on that side of the head is a problem/shields the head and chin).
If you are far enough away, you know you can jam your hand in his face (go up the middle of his arms) and work for the dominate position, or just keep ramming your hand in his face to stop him getting close.
There are many different positions in the Thai clinch...and if you are talking about being in the position where your opponent has both arms in the inside position and leverage on your head (crowbar effect), the best thing to do is break out of it...trying to throw knees or to throw him are bad ideas since the opponent has far more leverage. One way of breaking out is to quickly press both your hands under his armits and to throw him away...and the operative word is quickly
I am not an expert on the clinch; so, would love to hear from other Muay Thai practioners on this
there's several different ways to escape thai clinches. you can fish inside with your right arm and wrap it around their left elbow to where they are at your mercy (almost a submission) and knee back. you can pass the clinch by using your right arm to push up on their left and duck under it a little and grab him by the body if you dont want to get kneed, but in this position you can knee back. i use it.
Its kinda hard to explain, but another way is to lay your forarm across on top of his biceps/elbow, your forearm parallell to the floor, your elbow on the outside of his, and your fist on the inside of his arm, GRAB your wrist with your other hand, NOW can apply all your BW on his biceps/elbow pushing him downwards, the opponent will go down, kneeing on the floor (if he doesnt let go of your neck). the trick to put your arm, not in the elbowpit (or whatyoucallitinenglish) but the end of his biceps, where is hurts.
Another way is to push with your hand on the outside of his elbow, push inwards, now the oppionent is momentarily out of balance, you can slip in with your other shoulder and grab him,(thus, breaking his clinch) so your
Turning sideways and putting your knee is a nice and easy way of getting out of it. You are in danger of being swept but it is better than being kneed in the face
Another one is getting your hands inside of his clinch, one arm at a time and pressing down with your elbows on his biceps to break it...again timing is important; do this before he gets your head down.
If you can get your knees in, set him up starting with a few strikes to the the same side. As soon as he starts bowing towards the side your striking, follow up with a quick hard knock to the other (wide open) side.
Obviously easier said than done, but I seen guys go down like that.
One way that might seem "dirty" to some is to grab you opponent on the outside (like a bear hug) or even on their sides. Pull your hips in towards theirs like you're going to dump them the rub your chin hard (I mean really hard) on their stermun or on the bottom side of their collarbone. As soon as you feel their grip break push your hand in their face and throw a hard straight.
Also against a taller opponent grab the top of their head, pull down and rub the top of your head around on their face (once again really hard). finish the same way or got for the dominant position.
If you're the taller one a chin in the temple works great too.
These work great. I worked the plumb with a pro a few weeks ago and my sternum is finally feeling ok.
Randy Couture had a greco-roman technique for beating the thai clinch. Keeping your head back and shrugging your shoulders to your ears, use your right hand bump his right elbow to the outside so you it no longer blocks your shoulder. Slip your shoulder forward and secure a good underhook with your left arm on his right arm. Once you have the underhook you secure your position with a collar tie on the other side.
Now you have dominant position. Another point to remember is to close the space between you and crowd into him so your hips are together. This prevents him pulling your head down.
Cross facing is my preferred method of escaping the clinch. I'm not that good at defending it and I need to learn more.
there are many different ways to break the clinch, but the majority of them all involve slipping your hands in between the opponents. if you can get your hands there, its easier to switch the clinch round so that you actually have hte clinch on them.
also, if you are against an opponent who is considerably weaker than you are you can simply push out of it
When he lifts his knee to strike, step on a 45 degree angle and twist him around as suddenly as you can, this should throw him quite easily to the floor, seeing as he's only standing on one foot. Just requires good timing.
all good manuevers. my coach just taught us recently to arch your neck backand keep the chin tucked while you pummel in and try to counter your oppenents clinch.
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