How to deal with Migrants who break down border fences, act violently, or jump them?

[SouthoftheAndes]

In the old days the answers would be to show force, but I doubt many European nations other than those in the East would be willing to do that like Hungary.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...cedonia-border-fence/articleshow/51195000.cms

I find it ridiculous that tax payer money (so much is spent) to house, feed, and now build fences to keep invaders out and now invaders are getting violent, demanding rights, throwing stones and trying to move past defensible borders.

At the same time though you have to admit when someone is killed for attempting to break through a well defined border fence or for trying to climb it when it says "keep out invaders". It puts a damper on mass migration.

Mass African migration into Egypt and Israel has dropped and Egypt recently shot some migrants who were attempting to break through the Egyptian border. Egypt has also shot people trying to leave Gaza into Egypt and it seems to work.


What should Europe do? Can any show of force be justified or not? Because if not then what is the point of building a fence if the people who come to the fence intend on climbing it, breaking it down, and then you continue to render them aide when they hurt themselves breaking your fence?

If you can show up to a border fence complain and then be given right to enter then why was the fence even built in the first place? Because the EU seems to be taking that approach which makes one wonder why even build the fences in the first place. Waste of tax payer money!

 

[Bagatur]

 

[StannisTheMannis]

shoot them on the spot. it should be considered a foreign invasion on sovereign soil.

 

[bufetadanacara]

I guess you can wrap this thread up.

Seriously, put up a bunch of signs and loudspeaker warnings- borders need to be defended. Bullets would be the best bet and I'm pretty sure people would stop trying to cross over the borders if they needed to jump a pile of dead bodies to do so.

 

[ahme4]

Fuckin' shoot 'em

 

[GearSolidMetal]

 

[TheGreatA]

Law-breakers should be put in prison.

 

[KOQ24]

1.warn them of the consequences
2.use non-lethal methods (tear gas,water cannons,rubber bullets)
3.if crowd doesnt stop,warn them of lethal methods
4.Use lethal methods

 

[phoenixikki]

The correct answer is warn them first, if they don't stop, bullets will stop them.
However, if you say this in Germany or Sweden they are going to call you a nazi

 

[oldshadow]

The correct answerer is whatever force is required but the I don't see this happing over there.

 

[Cmart]

Law-breakers should be put in prison.

We don't have the money it would take to give them all clean sheets, three hot meals, hot showers, cable TV and internet, etc. everyday. It's more humane to our homeless and other of our own citizens in need to just capture, I.D., and deport these criminals. And maybe institute a three-strikes rule. Once one has made it clear they have no intention of respecting our sovereignty, put a bullet in them and roll them into a ditch.

 

[TehGwarch]

It's not rocket science.

The problem is Europeans have been guilted by the holahoax industry into complete learned helplessness.

Other nations have no problems with these things, they hurt them real bad and they stop.

 

[Don Hagliatelli]

This is a difficult situation.

On the one hand, I think we should show some sympathy and humanity towards these people. Some of them are genuine refugees and asylum seekers. Some of them are children.

On the other hand, I believe we have already set a very dangerous precedent that we allow these people to get away with all sorts.

I think we should take a very hard line.

Anybody trying to illegal cross borders should be detained and biometric data should be taken. This person should then be put back over the border they crossed. That person is now a criminal and should be treated as such if they try to claim asylum or refugee status anywhere. These people should never legally be allowed into Europe.

In the case of large groups, I agree with other posters that warnings should come before non-lethal force.

I think authorising lethal force is a very big step. I can imagine people charging across borders with children strapped to them as human shields. They know full well that leaders would not authorise using lethal force against children, and even if they did, many soldiers would not follow these orders.

 

[n...not crazy]

1: Enforce the laws.
2: Fix the legal immigration system, so it isn't so brokenfucked.

 

[j123]

Electric fence?

Readdress deportation laws, or implement something similar to what Australian govementment did: Pacific Solution

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

shoot them on the spot. it should be considered a foreign invasion on sovereign soil.

Sounds good to me.

 

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[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Build an electric fence and toss her on the other side.

Then her trade will be successful.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Seriously we've been hearing over and over in Germany from left-leaning politicians and commentators that it is useless to even try to secure borders.

I guess that when a Nation has castrated itself up to that point, is there anything left to defend anyways ?

We are ripe for the taking.

 

[ShinkanPo]

Sho

This is a difficult situation.

On the one hand, I think we should show some sympathy and humanity towards these people. Some of them are genuine refugees and asylum seekers. Some of them are children.

On the other hand, I believe we have already set a very dangerous precedent that we allow these people to get away with all sorts.

I think we should take a very hard line.

Anybody trying to illegal cross borders should be detained and biometric data should be taken. This person should then be put back over the border they crossed. That person is now a criminal and should be treated as such if they try to claim asylum or refugee status anywhere. These people should never legally be allowed into Europe.

In the case of large groups, I agree with other posters that warnings should come before non-lethal force.

I think authorising lethal force is a very big step. I can imagine people charging across borders with children strapped to them as human shields. They know full well that leaders would not authorise using lethal force against children, and even if they did, many soldiers would not follow these orders.

Well said this is a complicated issue