How to counter this guard pass?

[anhedonia]

I've seen counters to this pass online but they are all based on manipulating the gi.

Its basically the same thing that Maia is using to pass HG in MMA right now. I will try to frame and keep them lower on my body and sometimes I can create space that way but often I can't.

There must be some natural counters to this pass out there that don't rely on a gi grip?

How do you guys/gals counter this pass without a gi?

 

[selfcritical]

Most commonly I would swim under to DHG

 

[EGDM]

If the passer can't flatten me out I get good mileage out of octopus half in this position. Their moving the top arm to the far side creates an opening for me to swim underneath.

 

[anhedonia]

Most commonly I would swim under to DHG

I don't play a lot of DHG but I'm not sure I understand how I could get there from that position.

 

[EndlessCritic]

i like giving up the underhook and attacking the arm triangle from the bottom there. near impossible to finish the choke, but you can recover full guard or get a sweep.

in order to lock up the arm triangle though, you need your opponents head to be low enough.

 

[anhedonia]

If the passer can't flatten me out I get good mileage out of octopus half in this position. Their moving the top arm to the far side creates an opening for me to swim underneath.

I tried this once against a big guy (actually everyone using this position against me at the moment is big) and I got flattened pretty bad into a crap position. It seems like a good option if I could learn to use it perhaps.

 

[selfcritical]

I don't play a lot of DHG but I'm not sure I understand how I could get there from that position.

Same YT channel as the original video

 

[Leify]

The basics of defending the reverse half here is that you need to keep them low on your body by framing on their ribs with your elbows. If they don't rotate back to normal half guard, you can bridge into them, knee to elbow escape your inside leg and either recover guard or threaten a back take.

There are other options too, like octopus half, wing sweep, deep half, etc, but most aren't going to work if you aren't able to prevent the guy from getting his body high up on your chest and arms.

 

[EGDM]

I tried this once against a big guy (actually everyone using this position against me at the moment is big) and I got flattened pretty bad into a crap position. It seems like a good option if I could learn to use it perhaps.

This is a risk. You have to get deep enough that you can use your elbow and lats to maintain distance and keep them down by your hips. If your shoulders and armpit get stuck under their ribs you're definitely screwed (but perhaps not any more so than you were going to be when they started the reverse sit).

Lucas Leite and Gary Tonnon use octopus half well. There's good material on Youtube.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

Here's what Saulo has to say on the matter:



But my personal favourite solution is what Xande shows on his DVD set. Bridge slightly with your far foot, getting your hips in the air and turning them into your opponent, which will let you drop your knee to the mat where you can connect it to your elbow.

 

[Kenny from MD]

A lot of what has been posted his gibberish. The answer is don't let people flatten you out and smash you.

 

[anhedonia]

I appreciate the responses from everyone so far. I have been looking online for additional resources and I found this video. I thought it was interesting because it doesn't seem to use the gi at all.





Also slightly off topic.. I found this video.



Never really seen anything like this before.. thought it was really interesting. I might experiment with this also because I bet extending myself away like he is doing in the vid would deter a lot of the reverse sit HG passing. They would be so low on my legs that I don't think the pass would be very effective from there.