How often do you jacket guys use non jacket holds, grips, and locks when wearing a gi

[MadSquabbles500]

To you judo, sambo, kurash, and cornish wrestlers, how often do you utilize holds, grips, and locks that dont involve grabbing the clothing?

Do you feel it is easy to get these types of controls when in the gi? Do you actually prefer these types?

And I am excluding the scissors, and pulling the guard.

 

[combatcvic]

from passing the guard, i regularly use the nogi grip where you have your hand in a C shape in your opponents armpits, then i stand up from that position. It keeps them from being able to arm drag, from reaching high into your collar.

 

[berimBOWLoh]

im always looking for dem underhooks or chinstrap grip, gi or nogi.

my fav finishes are north/south choke, armbar and bow n arrow chokes so i guess 2/3 aint bad

 

[lonewolf210]

On the ground not much beyond over/underhooks but stand up I still like to go for the collar tie.

 

[Pirat]

I almost exclusively go for the no gi brabo/darce when in top halfguard, must work on the lapel variations Robson Moura shows.

 

[dimmyfinster]

things where the give on the clothes works against you.

wrists instead of sleeve options
- breaking collar grips grabbing their wrists
- RDLR grip from bottom - the far wrist (vs sleeve)
- butterfly grip of free hand (vs sleeve)


ankles:
- leg drag, sometimes (vs leg cuff)
- DLR back of ankle grip (vs pant cuff)


not counting things like Kimuras, Americanas, and heel hooks which are taught
attacking the wrist or heel itself or the underhook which does not have a gi analogue.

 

[Uchi Mata]

I still grab wrists and ankles instead of cloth pretty often, and I throw a fair number of no-gi chokes, mostly RNCs and Darces. I prefer underhooks to cloth collar grips for many throws and will take them if available, but it's not so easy to get past opposing grips when wearing jackets.

 

[Einarr]

If we're standing Kenka Yotsu and I can't get the inside grip I'll take an overhook - it's very good for a Ken Ken Uchi Mata.

I use underhooks in Butterfly Guard, but will take the belt grip as well if it's there - the underhook belt grip is like Underhook of Might +3; pretty much unbreakable unless their belt comes undone in which case you have a standard underhook anyway.

 

[RJ Green]

quite often. with preference it's all about context. whatever works the best that i can get to the soonest. same with throws - although if i'm close enough to have the choice between grabbing you and your jammies, it's a lot easier to throw you with you than with your jammies, and i'm really lazy.

 

[Waldorf]

To you judo, sambo, kurash, and cornish wrestlers, how often do you utilize holds, grips, and locks that dont involve grabbing the clothing?

Do you feel it is easy to get these types of controls when in the gi? Do you actually prefer these types?

And I am excluding the scissors, and pulling the guard.

Every time. I use gi controls as well, when in the gi, but from every position I use no gi controls -head, wrist control, overhooks, etc. I use what I can get.

 

[georgejjr]

Wrestler and judoka here - and in terms of takedowns/throws, I almost always grab a gi if its available (the exception is for double and single legs, and even there I'll grab gi leg more often then not), the gi is just far too effective for throws/takedowns to not use it when its there.

On the ground though I tend to use a lot of no-gi grips even if the gi is there. Not really sure why, it just works out that way.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

Wrestler and judoka here - and in terms of takedowns/throws, I almost always grab a gi if its available (the exception is for double and single legs, and even there I'll grab gi leg more often then not), the gi is just far too effective for throws/takedowns to not use it when its there.

On the ground though I tend to use a lot of no-gi grips even if the gi is there. Not really sure why, it just works out that way.

Really, I have always felt the wrestling style holds and locks give you better control because there is less wiggle room. Even if you grab my gi, there is enough slack for me to stiff arm much of the time.

 

[Drew Foster]

Very often. I do a lot of cross knee cut passing with the far side underhook, or overhook to darce or to spin around the head and take the seatbelt. My other big passes are the x pass and the leg drag, and I do the x pass Marcelo style without really grabbing any cloth, and for the leg drag I may grab one hand on the pants, but that's about it. Most of my finishes involve connecting my hands or the RNC grip. I mostly finish "nogi" style chokes like darces, RNCs, arm triangles, NS chokes, straight footlocks, etc, with some armbars tossed in. Even with those, I'm usually setting them up with kimura grips, and not too many lapel or sleeve grips. The bow and arrow and the occasional lapel brabo, or baseball chokes are the only submissions I do with any sort of frequency that involve grabbing clothing.

From the guard I do play a lot more guard that involve grabbing the cross collar, like seated butterfly looking for collar drags, or DLR/RDLR, but I also play a lot of 1 leg X and X guard, which don't involve any cloth gripping.