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  1. Eli1015 Martial Artist

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    Now I'm not talking mighty mouse vs Stipe weight difference. But more like 25 to 30 pounds up. For instance. Is it wildly impossible for Dominick Cruz to beat Conor McGregor? Or for Conor to beat woodley? How about Aldo vs Wonderboy? Conor is about 167-170 max. Woodley has said to walk around like 195 or so. If there was an open weight grand pre for all weight classes 170 and below only, could a bantamweight, featherweight, or lightweight take it?
     
  2. myjohnson9 GOAT

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    Fighters practically kill their organs for a weight advantage, so I'd say it matters a lot
     
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    Mark Hunt almost submitted Fedor solely on his weight advantage
     
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  4. Eli1015 Martial Artist

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    Yes but there is clean science that proves that at a certain point, weight cutting actually diminishes performance.
     
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    I grappled with someone who was around 25-35 lbs more than me, and they just muscled the hell out of me, it definitely can matter
     
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    There are weight classes for a reason. It fucking matters.
     
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    As a long time wrestler and Bjj competitor for the past 6 years, I can tell you that 10/15lbs is not very noticeable. When you're fighting guys who outweigh you more than that, it's a different ballgame. Frankie was a great example of this during his 155 campaign he was always competing in my opinion at about a 20lb deficit. It was clear that the move to 145 was a better fit, problem was that that champ, Aldo was just a DAMN beast and the sport has come a long way since then.

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  8. Eli1015 Martial Artist

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    The question is HOW much does it truly matter. This is a discussion. Discuss or fuck off.
     
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    bout tree fiddy in Cyborg's case.
     
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  10. Eli1015 Martial Artist

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    Here's a follow up then. What about in strikers primarily who don't wrestle. For instance max Holloway vs Carlos condit. How would that go?
     
  11. TheAmericanGazelle Black Belt

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    A certain amount of weight difference matters more at the lower weights than higher weights.

    It's probably better to think of it in terms of percentage of weight rather than raw numbers.

    That is, 135 to 155 is a much tougher task than 205 to 225, for example.
     
  12. Eli1015 Martial Artist

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    But isn't 20 pounds 20 pounds? I understand it's more of a percentage at lower weights, but why would it be more likely for a 205 fighter to beat a 225, than a 135 beating a 155?
     
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    Because a given unit of weight is a greater *relative* to weight at lower weights.

    It's the relative value that matters more. Not the absolute value.

    Just like your average person would freak out over winning a million dollar lottery, while Bill Gates would shrug his shoulders, even though their net worth went up by the exact same amount in absolute terms.
     
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    That's tricky man. I think smaller fighters are much more skilled. Look at the technique in the top 10 of 145 and then compare that to HW or 205. Difference is that a bigger man can take a better shot and has more power. We need weight classes but this archaic weight cutting system is. Not very good for the fighters.


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    It matters a lot. Even in junior Amateur boxing, the no 1 guy will normally have big problems against a top 10 guy a weightclass up (less than 5 lbs)
     
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    I tend to agree that lower weights have more skill. But would the skill of a featherweight(normal sized) be able to over come a Welterweight. I think max vs condit would be a great fight to gauge this since there both similar fighters.
     
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  18. Eli1015 Martial Artist

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    That's interesting being that I'm currently training for my first amy fight in boxing and debating if I wanna cut weight or not since the weight classes are so close in boxing.
     
  19. Eli1015 Martial Artist

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    I'm pretty sure hunt weighs like atleast 60 pounds more than fedor though. I'm talking like 25 pounds
     
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    No it doesn't. Look at black widow handle all those big, and stronger, professionally trained mercenaries. Or Angelina Jolie kick Brad Pitts ass in a one on one fight. And he had to outweigh her by like 3 times her weight. I can name tons of fights were the smaller guy beat up the bigger, better fighter.
     

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