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JudoThrowFiasco said:
Why are the Danes household debt higher when they dont have to pay for healthcare and education? Cost of living!
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hi ho JTF,

that's only half accurate, my friend.

most of the household debt in Denmark is concentrated among the Danes with the highest incomes; because they buy really nice houses, and real estate is pricier in Denmark.

- IGIT
 
Look having really good social services and programs frees you from having to give a shit about poor and homeless people for the most part so unless you want to be a 'woke soyboy' what you really want is a social democracy with capitalism as you get the best of everything.
 
Jack Stevonovich said:
Until they have lived in a country with really good social programs they will not be able to comprehend how much better it is in every conceivable way unless you pull over 120,000 or so a year in the us.

They don't make the connection to higher crime rates, stress over having to be an expert at everything etc.
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I live in Canada, and much rather the american system. That phone you were begging people for in the berry, would cost you about 400 here. Not to mention you would be paying 4 dollars a gallon for all the gas for your ubering job. Not to mention the higher cost in car repairs and insurance
 
Sohei said:
More household debt?

Murkans and Danes are graduating college with about the same income and Murkans are paying 500$/month for healthcare with 5k deductibles and making student loan payments of 200$ /month. Danes are graduating with no student loan or healthcare payments. So how does that make the Murkan system better?







Acoording to the UN Human Development Report, Denmark ranks #2 on the Education Index whereas Murka ranks around 8.





Because theyre not paying 500$ a month for insurance with a 5k deductible or a 3k deductible, or paying 200$ a month for their student loan payments. Obama even said his biggest expense was his student loan payments. Danes graduate debt-free and have more discretionary income.



Danes have higher VAT taxes on beer and cigarettes but Murkan healthcare and education is much more expensive and crippling.

So I guess if you think beer and cigs are more important than healthcare or education for a society you might have a case.
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VAT applies to more than just beer and cigarettes though....

Food, household items, toiletries/apothecary stuff, etc....

They don't separate for more common stuff like food as Germany does, although correct me if i'm wrong

Imagine buying a car w/ 25% sales tax ffs, or even a TV
 
hiya JTF,

JudoThrowFiasco said:
So you're being myopic about it -- thats like saying global warming isnt impacting me now, so its not a concern at the moment
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not myopic, just proportional.

if Usian Bolt runs .001 of a second slower yet still takes the gold, its not exactly a harbinger of doom.

I personally rather the lower cost of living and access to more of my own income and base my future retirement plan under my own accord.
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that would be nice. i'd rather not be taxed for anything, actually, yet still receive the fruits of government spending. to me, that would be most optimal, because you get to keep all your money.

alas.

I agree, the continued spending is not a good trajectory.
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but the revenue cuts...just keep'm coming, aye?

- IGIT
 
JudoThrowFiasco said:
I live in Canada, and much rather the american system. That phone you were begging people for in the berry, would cost you about 400 here. Not to mention you would be paying 4 dollars a gallon for all the gas for your ubering job. Not to mention the higher cost in car repairs and insurance
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lived in Canada and the US I think I know better. You know how much more dangerous it is here? You are sheltered as fuck up there.
 
IGIT said:
hi ho JTF,

that's only half accurate, my friend.

most of the household debt in Denmark is concentrated among the Danes with the highest incomes; because they buy really nice houses, and real estate is pricier in Denmark.

- IGIT
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Thats not true, the debt it pretty equally spread out across multiple income brackets. Houses and the cost of running them is higher.
 
The people that live in countries like Canada that wish it was more like the US are like Upper class white people trying to be gangster. You have no idea how sheltered you are.

It is like spoiled children complaining they don't have enough.
 
IGIT said:
hiya JTF,



not myopic, just proportional.

if Usian Bolt runs .001 of a second slower yet still takes the gold, its not exactly a harbinger of doom.
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But its not a one time drop -- its a growing trend. If he ran slower by that amount every day its going to add up. Again, global warming right now isnt an gloom issue, but each day its adding up to be.



that would be nice. i'd rather not be taxed for anything, actually, yet still receive the fruits of government spending. to me, that would be most optimal, because you get to keep all your money.

alas.
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That would be sweet, but you need taxes -- the amount though for what you get compared to what you already have, to what you want, like any other service or item you pay for -- you could want comparatively lower. Im sure you price shop and dont buy things you dont need or already have, correct?



but the revenue cuts...just keep'm coming, aye?

- IGIT
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Depends. I would see a windfall from them -- but i would need to see what the diminishing returns would be on things i want.
 
Jack Stevonovich said:
The people that live in countries like Canada that wish it was more like the US are like Upper class white people trying to be gangster. You have no idea how sheltered you are.

It is like spoiled children complaining they don't have enough.
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Upper class white people trying to increase their net income -- hardly gangster.
 
JudoThrowFiasco said:
I live in Canada, and much rather the american system. That phone you were begging people for in the berry, would cost you about 400 here. Not to mention you would be paying 4 dollars a gallon for all the gas for your ubering job. Not to mention the higher cost in car repairs and insurance
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First of all I think you completely miss the point of that thread.

Second of all it is a used Ebay phone the prices are pretty consistent on those between the US and Canada other than shipping.

Lastly the homeless dude in Canada had a castle to go live in that would feed him and a job readily available.

Where I live that place is skid row and is dangerous as fuck.

That is the difference your people down on their luck get a castle ours get skid row and prison and produces hardened criminals.

Trust me you don't want to live in a society of hardened criminals.
 
JudoThrowFiasco said:
Denmark has the fastest rate of concentration of wealth, Sweden's gini coefficient has been rising at the fastest rate in the developed nation -- nords model may be slipping if equality is their game.
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Whether you mean it to be or not, this is pretty misleading.

Denmark still has some of the lowest inequality in the world, even if wealth inequality looks bad at a glance because the middle and lower classes don't have the needs and incentives to retain wealth, and new wealth creation has been largely based on appreciation of real property. Actual living standards for the Danes have no declined. And Denmark's rate of concentration of wealth is also due to the fact that recent reductions to the welfare state.
 
Jack Stevonovich said:
lived in Canada and the US I think I know better. You know how much more dangerous it is here? You are sheltered as fuck up there.
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Its not dangerous all over -- the odds of you being murdered, robbed or beaten are still low, even if it is higher than Canada. Besides, that shit is concentrated to the poor areas; the US is definitely not better if you're poor. But, if you got coin, it is.
 
hi once more JTF!

JudoThrowFiasco said:
But its not a one time drop -- its a growing trend. If he ran slower by that amount every day its going to add up. Again, global warming right now isnt an gloom issue, but each day its adding up to be.
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a growing trend.

well, we'll see.

at the moment, the US is just ahead of Uganda in wealth disparity, so my concerns are a bit more local. the "crises" in Denmark seems far less pressing.

That would be sweet, but you need taxes -- the amount though for what you get compared to what you already have, to what you want, like any other service or item you pay for -- you could want comparatively lower. Im sure you price shop and dont buy things you dont need or already have, correct?
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i generally don't price shop, lol. the things i need for work are the things i need, and they come at a certain price. that's my life.

i don't price shop for my herb. i don't want to get ripped off, and i won't, but quality is king. its kind bud or no bud, my friend.

i don't complain about my taxes. old people need what they need, and our military has needs which apparently have no end, and that's how it is.

i'd be ok with paying more.

Depends. I would see a windfall from them -- but i would need to see what the diminishing returns would be on things i want.
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there would be no diminishing returns, my friend. don't you understand America? we'd keep spending. haven't you been watching what we've been up to?

lol.

- IGIT
 
Trotsky said:
Whether you mean it to be or not, this is pretty misleading.

Denmark still has some of the lowest inequality in the world, even if wealth inequality looks bad at a glance because the middle and lower classes don't have the needs and incentives to retain wealth, and new wealth creation has been largely based on appreciation of real property. Actual living standards for the Danes have no declined. And Denmark's rate of concentration of wealth is also due to the fact that recent reductions to the welfare state.
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Its not misleading, the two statements are factually correct -- Denmark still has the fast growing concentration of wealth among the top 10 and sweden's gini divide is the fastest growing - I didnt say is doomsday there, but that is the trend line.
 
JudoThrowFiasco said:
Sorry, i misread your statement -- i thought you were saying the top 10 holds the vast majority when its the top 40. That is still concentrated at the top but thats the same for most countries, no?
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hi JTF, last post for now,

my point was that the debt is not equally spread out. that you don't have low income folks levered up to their eyeballs in Denmark.

as we're talking about this, i wonder how many no doc loans were issued in Denmark back in the early 2000s?

another topic, i guess.

gotta run, good chatting with you mate.

- IGIT
 
IGIT said:
hi once more JTF!



a growing trend.

well, we'll see.

at the moment, the US is just ahead of Uganda in wealth disparity, so my concerns are a bit more local. the "crises" in Denmark seems far less pressing.
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No where did i say that it is as pressing as the US, but the trend lines are there -- that is where the economic metrics are pointing.



i generally don't price shop, lol. the things i need for work are the things i need, and they come at a certain price. that's my life.

i don't price shop for my herb. i don't want to get ripped off, and i won't, but quality is king. its kind bud or no bud, my friend.

i don't complain about my taxes. old people need what they need, and our military has needs which apparently have no end, and that's how it is.

i'd be ok with paying more.
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You dont price shop? Consumer savings is a great way to up your annual total revenue. Im a high income earner and in a high income household and i deal hunt like it was military reconnaissance. I would be ok with paying more if it results in items i want.


there would be no diminishing returns, my friend. don't you understand America? we'd keep spending. haven't you been watching what we've been up to?

lol.

- IGIT
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Well infrastructure is due for a face lift -- but the spending debt at a net level isnt at a red line -- you're on your way.
 
JudoThrowFiasco said:
Its not dangerous all over -- the odds of you being murdered, robbed or beaten are still low, even if it is higher than Canada. Besides, that shit is concentrated to the poor areas; the US is definitely not better if you're poor. But, if you got coin, it is.
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it is not just violent crime, people worry here a lot more about everything. The People that are wealthy don't tend to enjoy it because they work ridiculous amounts of hours. People have to worry about their kids in a way Canadians can not even conceive of. Their are a lot of positive traits that Canadians have that is directly connected to having so many social services that they are unaware of.
 
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