How many of you use rubber guard?

[Lion Killer]

I was wondering how many people here try to use it and what kind of success they have. I train no-gi, and I have relative success with it although I get passed in chill dog quite a bit. I have never trained with a gi, but I assume it's probably an almost worthless system if you have handles anyway. Does anyone here have success with it or do most of you find it worthless?

If they're passing your free leg go ahead and bring the leg that's across his back across his face and either figure four your legs and go for an omoplata or you can gogoplata from there as well. Either way, even if you can't submit them from there it usually foils their guard pass attempt.
Personally, I like to do a sweep with omoplata control on his arm.

 

[chubs]

All the time.
It's a great system and it surprises a lot of guys.
The book is good but the DVDs are better.
Eddie has really good verbal instruction and he goes into more detail in the DVDs.

 

[green_machine]

I train no-gi, and I have relative success with it although I get passed in chill dog quite a bit.

I don't use the rubber guard, it's not for me, but I do know the system. When somebody passes your free leg, you can use the Carni like MTRG book and somebody else here said.

Occasionally when I am going for a slow and low omoplata, my free leg gets trapped. When that happens, I just transition into what Marcelo calls the Monoplata and have had decent success with it. I would think you could do the same from rubber guard when somebody passes your free leg.

 

[FLMikeATT]

I like to use Aesopian's "Lazy London". Great setup for a lot of different things. That's pretty much the extent of it for me.

 

[gracie_barra**]

personally i dont. id rather master closed and open guard till about purple before trying anything fancy. rubber guard is just a trivial thing for me at this point.

 

[MonkeyNuts!]

I use NY and simple triangle/gogoplata/omoplata setups from there. I'm pretty flexible so I can pull it off. I didn't make it the backbone of my game, just something I go for from time to time if the opportunity presents itself.

 

[joshv5.0]

i use it all the time and it has a high success rate for me, and i am extremely flexable

 

[monkey roll]

I use it sometimes.

If you're getting passed in chill dog, then your legs are not tight enough. As eddie puts it, " you'll have to develop your squeeze."

A band-aid solution is to pull "the carnie" when they start to pass when you're in chilldog.

 

[greghead]

i really like rubberguard. i usually have success with it.

this is what everyone needs

thighmaster baby

 

[uno_sky]

I used to use it a lot and get omo/gogo with high percentage about a year ago. Then I started letting the person roll, slowing them down and using it for sweeps.

Now I'm really just trying to learn and use open guard a lot more. But when we're going mma and I get taken down, I use Rubber guard to lockdown and punch them in the head repeatedly with my free arm, then sweep them and take side control.

I think it definately has it's uses. I dont think it will ever be my entire game now though.

 

[Hit-or-be-hit]

ummm i use it a ton probably more than i should. I don't even know when im supposed 2 use it i just like having high guards. usually if i do a rubber guard im about 2 try going 4 a gogoplata mixed w an armbar. If it fails usually at worst i'll have sweeped them so it's pretty good.

 

[-Montanha-]

I have been using the rubber and the invert with success, since 1995 when I learned them both from "Nino" Schembri. I trained under Nino for 8 months.

Being long and lanky my bread and butter is the invert tho, it transitions to open guard naturally and both produce lots of sweeps for me.

The rubber, Ladder-up was the name I learned for it, well I use it mostly against rastlers who want to hold you down and GNP. Your safer from strikes if you do MMA. But mostly I go for Gogos to set up arm bars. They most often give me omoplatas that I use to mostly get out from the bottom since rastlers dont like to give up sweeps.

From half guard, digging under and going to invert is a sweet place to sweep rastlers tho.

In BJJ its all good! uuse what works for you.

 

[Courter44]

I have been using the rubber and the invert with success, since 1995 when I learned them both from "Nino" Schembri. I trained under Nino for 8 months.

Being long and lanky my bread and butter is the invert tho, it transitions to open guard naturally and both produce lots of sweeps for me.

The rubber, Ladder-up was the name I learned for it, well I use it mostly against rastlers who want to hold you down and GNP. Your safer from strikes if you do MMA. But mostly I go for Gogos to set up arm bars. They most often give me omoplatas that I use to mostly get out from the bottom since rastlers dont like to give up sweeps.

From half guard, digging under and going to invert is a sweet place to sweep rastlers tho.

In BJJ its all good! uuse what works for you.

The ladder up? Never heard about that. What kind of sweeps and submissions did you use from this back in 95? I know the mission control position is old, but I never knew there were people who taught it as part of their game back then.

 

[blanko]

not really, after a few injuries to my knee (non bjj related) i don't feel like pulling on my leg... :S

 

[-Montanha-]

The ladder up? Never heard about that. What kind of sweeps and submissions did you use from this back in 95? I know the mission control position is old, but I never knew there were people who taught it as part of their game back then.

Ladder-up comes from the Basic Movement of begining in closed guard and walking your legs up your opponents back till they are behind his head[your knees up in his armpits] Eddie just pulls his leg up. This leaves Eddies hips still down near his opponents hips[thus knee injurys] Ladder up and your legs control your opponent's upper body and base, but your hips are in a stronger position higher up on his body, needing less flexibility.

Then do the attacks.

Pretty basic stuff that has been around for years at Gracie Barra in Brazil. Nino and Roleta are best known for it. Roleta has used invert the most, Nino the Rubber/Ladder up guy. As they say in Cali, "Its been around for Days! bro".

This is a page from my first book in 2002
Here is an example of backing out so you dont get stacked up like with all the rubber stuff. Try scootin back while in the rubber, it really breaks down their base further, and you dont need to be so flexible.
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Just throwin this page in for fun
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[Foppa21]

I've used it a bit. Pretty much pyramid and then set up triangle and armbars. Or set up for sweeps in butterfly. I at times use it as almsot a stall tactic to by myself some time to check out my options while having someone's posture broken.

 

[Mr. Switch]

I've never read anything by Eddie Bravo (who popularised rubber guard... I think) and until a few days ago I didn't even know what rubber guard WAS... but I have to say that I do end up using it from time to time- I'm quite flexible and tend to do weird shit on the ground.

Don't get me wrong- I try to use techniques that I've been taught properly but when it's all going a bit wrong and I want to see if I can get out of a bad situation or if I'm just in the mood to mess around...

Shit... come to think of it- I hope no one thinks I'm one of these guys who reads about the weird shit and tries it as a new guy...

 

[lovemartialarts]

I'm new to the BJJ scene. Only been to a few classes so far. Should I read Bravo's books or should I get the basics down first?

THX

 

[Crooksy]

I'm new to the BJJ scene. Only been to a few classes so far. Should I read Bravo's books or should I get the basics down first?

THX

If you're flexible, check out Eddie's stuff and learn the basics. If not, learn the basics and work on your flexibility.

I use rubber guard and have success with it. It usually leads to me slapping on triangles or ending up in the omaplata position.

 

[004]

i use it as often as i can when rolling in class with someone of lesser or equal experience. never got any instruction outside a 2 hour eddie bravo seminar, so i wouldn't be comfortable using it in competition.