How Many Legit HW's Are there?

Jawth said:
No shit you got tired and gave the fight away away Martinez, you are fatter than the average forum troll.

I dont want to be mean and hope I dont get dubs but Christ, look at what happened to Jake Collier. There is simply no way he trains even half as hard as he did as a MW unless he eats a large pizza and downs in with a two liter of mountain dew every night.

While there are exceptions like Big Country or Hunt fat HW fights udually end up boring clinch fights that where they end up exhausted after a round or if we're lucky, a round and a half.

I miss pre USADA heavyweight.

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I don't know why Dana is letting these dudes in. It brings the UFC back 20 years.
 
The problem is that the HWs are currently on 3 divisions, so the talent is watered down.

You have Stipe Miocic, Thiago Santos and Paulo Costa all walking around at 230:

The first just stays in shape for a fight and doesn't worry about weight

The second stays in shape for a fight and on fight week he cuts weight to fight at 205. Cutting is not fun but is better than being punched by Ngannou

The third one changes his diet to a very specific one whenever his training camp starts and then on fight week he cuts a lot of weight to fight at 185. He is not 100% after doing that, but he doesn't have to worry about Jiri, Jan or Jones there. Just about Brunson or Cannonier


Back when LHW was created, Frank Shamrock was fighting there. That dude today would a lightweight or a small welterweight. They need to either fix the weight cutting or delete the 205 division and of course, once they do that, they can fire the lower half of that new division which would be these fat fucks
 
The weight range for HW is too much. The range is 30% when all other divisions are about 5%.

Guys around the 220-230 mark starve themselves to get down to LHW.

Getting hit by a 250lb man is not fun.

if they had a 206-230 division you’d see a lot more in shape big guys.

So all we see are fat asses that no way can lose that much weight, or the once in a generation freaks like Brock or Carwin.
 
heavyarms21 said:
The guys in the Dimensions of 6'3+ 240+ and not fat are playing sports where they don't get punched in the face (usually) or have to worry about submission .
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Don't forget that those players are making millions easily every year, vastly more than UFC fighters. Plus these guys usually get big time sponsor deals, and don't have the president of the league talking mad shit about them or the fans (Like dana). Plus these guys don't have to pay to have people train them like in the UFC, which can take 20% of their money. Also being contractors for the UFC, do they also have to pay for their own health insurance too? UFC fighters completely get screwed on money.
 
Pressure Project said:
The weight range for HW is too much. The range is 30% when all other divisions are about 5%.

Guys around the 220-230 mark starve themselves to get down to LHW.

Getting hit by a 250lb man is not fun.

if they had a 206-230 division you’d see a lot more in shape big guys.

So all we see are fat asses that no way can lose that much weight, or the once in a generation freaks like Brock or Carwin.
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The division is the weakest already. Add another division at 230??? The reason we see these fat fucks so often it's because there are only 14 decent heavyweights in the world.

If you have less than 30 people in a division, then everyone will need to fight each other over and over, so they hire these 16 fat fucks to fill up the division up to 30.

If you make another, you will split those 14 guys into 7 good fighters above 230 and 7 below. And you will have to watch 23 more fat fucks in each division instead of having just 16 in one.
 
heavyarms21 said:
The guys in the Dimensions of 6'3+ 240+ and not fat are playing sports where they don't get punched in the face (usually) or have to worry about submission .
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This. No full ride scholarships in MMA.
 
Greg House said:
The problem is that the HWs are currently on 3 divisions, so the talent is watered down.

You have Stipe Miocic, Thiago Santos and Paulo Costa all walking around at 230:

The first just stays in shape for a fight and doesn't worry about weight

The second stays in shape for a fight and on fight week he cuts weight to fight at 205. Cutting is not fun but is better than being punched by Ngannou

The third one changes his diet to a very specific one whenever his training camp starts and then on fight week he cuts a lot of weight to fight at 185. He is not 100% after doing that, but he doesn't have to worry about Jiri, Jan or Jones there. Just about Brunson or Cannonier


Back when LHW was created, Frank Shamrock was fighting there. That dude today would a lightweight or a small welterweight. They need to either fix the weight cutting or delete the 205 division and of course, once they do that, they can fire the lower half of that new division which would be these fat fucks
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Costa fought at 217lbs, thats still quite below 230lbs, Romero was a HW on that night as well.
 
qw3rty said:
50% of LHWs would die trying to cut to MW.
The other half would also die in hands of Ngannou or Black Beast
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Cannonier, Costa and Santos can do it, so it's not unreasonable. The guys that are too big to cut, well for fucks sake, those are the ones that should be heavyweights in the first place.

Come on, look at the weigh in of the 205ers that fought at 265 recently. OSP, Latifi, Cormier, Gustaffsson... Not one of them was below 240!!!
 
I mean there's also a logical reason for it. Why are all strongman fat? And not shredded or even lean?

Maximal strength.

In a division where the weight is essentially uncapped, there aren't really weigh ins and no one is cutting besides the steroid freaks or any SHW sized guys (at this point who cuts to 265? Even Ngannou does not. Lewis doesn't anymore I don't think or makes a minimal cut and is fat obviously).

So why wouldn't you want a size/strength advantage? Aesthetically you look like shit. But peak performance doesn't necessarily mean ripped sub 10-12% BF. There's a reason why all OL/DL, strongman, PLs are all "Fat" outside the biggest genetic freaks like Myles Garrett which sort of equates to an Ngannou in MMA.
 
Greg House said:
Cannonier, Costa and Santos can do it, so it's not unreasonable. The guys that are too big to cut, well for fucks sake, those are the ones that should be heavyweights in the first place.

Come on, look at the weigh in of the 205ers that fought at 265 recently. OSP, Latifi, Cormier, Gustaffsson... Not one of them was below 240!!!
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You cant deny that all of those went to the buffet as their camp for their fights at 265, neither did "move up" to 265, they went crazy with their diets, fit LHW's fight at the 220-230 range, that still deep in HW territory but they are still rocking some fat instead of being pure muscle and being 230lbs, which would be the low end of active HW's
 
El Fernas said:
Costa fought at 217lbs, thats still quite below 230lbs, Romero was a HW on that night as well.
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He doesn't walk around at 217. I heard on Rogan's Podcast that he walks around at 235 in between training camps. Like most fighters, he goes into a special diet during training camp to be at a much lower weight looking much leaner. And then of course, is the extreme weigh cut during fight week.

If he walks around at 235, then 15 years he would have fought at heavyweight. Now everyone is much bigger on ALL divisions, but there is the same amount of people, so the biggest one has a lot less athletes and thus feels empty of talent
 
No Skill Gap said:
I mean there's also a logical reason for it. Why are all strongman fat? And not shredded or even lean?

Maximal strength.
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Just guessing here, they dont need the same level of cardio of a fighter, while they have some cardio-ish tests, they are all basically strength tests and not a marathon type of competition, also they dont have to stick to a weight class, so if they like to eat they dont have a problem if they get fat.
 
Greg House said:
He doesn't walk around at 217. I heard on Rogan's Podcast that he walks around at 235 in between training camps. Like most fighters, he goes into a special diet during training camp to be at a much lower weight looking much leaner. And then of course, is the extreme weigh cut during fight week.

If he walks around at 235, then 15 years he would have fought at heavyweight. Now everyone is much bigger on ALL divisions, but there is the same amount of people, so the biggest one has a lot less athletes and thus feels empty of talent
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The infamous "walkaround weight" is all talk, they let go of themselves, all that matters is how much do they weight inside the cage, weigh-ins not so much as every fighter below HW cuts weight, usually a lot, at 235lbs he would be at his heaviest and not at his peak shape, unlike Stipe for example who has fought in that range but thats his peak shape, not in between fights.
 
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El Fernas said:
You cant deny that all of those went to the buffet as their camp for their fights at 265, neither did "move up" to 265, they went crazy with their diets, fit LHW's fight at the 220-230 range, that still deep in HW territory but they are still rocking some fat instead of being pure muscle and being 230lbs, which would be the low end of active HW's
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Of course they were fat, still is a ridiculous size. Gustaffsson and Blachovich ripped are still smaller than Miocic is your point, right? Ok, but so is Miocic compared to Ngannou and you are not demanding another division for him.

The point here is that guys like maurice smith can get ranked in the top 15 because nobody fights there. So at some point, the UFC drew the line and said everyone above 205 will fight each other regardless of if they are smaller than their opponents because there is barely any talent above that. What I'm saying here is with weighcutting being more extreme than before, the line need to be lower than how it was if you want heavyweight to not be a joke
 
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