How many judokas here use closed guard

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  1. ozyabbas

    ozyabbas Purple Belt

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    I have been observing many judokas fight in mma, many of them seem use a very closed guard orientated grappling game. It looks very much like a bjj match. Im not saying that the closed guard is something that doesn't exists in judo.

    I was just wondering why many judokas seem to use a very bjj like game when they are fighting in mma matches. The main exception seems to be Fedor.
     
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    Gsoares2*** Banned Banned

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    Big sweeping open guards dont translate so well to mma - there is to much room, no gi.

    Closed guard lets you deflect punches, and climb your opponent to take the space away and eventually try to finish with a sub.

    Bjj and Judo are a lot alike - just different focus.

    ive never seen a judo player be put on his back, and use anything but a closed guard.. So i really dont even get this question.
     
  3. Cirno

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    I'm a judoka and I use closed guard. Judokas in general have explosive guard passes, and leaving your guard wide open is bad news if the other guy has a good pin.

    Personally, I use butterfly, closed, and half-guard (with lockdown to stuff the pass).
     
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    IChinaManI Green Belt

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    I love to play closed and open guard. It's half guard I hate! I've been working on it though :D

    In half I've been using lockdown, and have been looking to take the back or do the jeff monson sweep. One thing I find hard though, is maintaining that sideways body positioning. Especially in judo with the big gys that just flatten you on the bottom. My last line of defense if they manage to pass is to bridge :redface:
     
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    Jinzumkei Rock El Columbian

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    Really? I find the opposite true. From personal experience, Judokas have an easier time breaking down my closed guard than dealing with my open guard.
     
  6. Deloitte

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    Very laughable.
     
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    I use closed guard from time to time. Most of the time I am looking to sweep or escape from closed guard rather than playing around with trying to look for a submission. I like to have one leg on their back and my other foot on my opponents hip. Sorry I don't know the name for that type of guard.
     
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    georgejjr Black Belt

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    Actually I generally find that judokas who don't crosstrain in BJJ tend to rely on the half-guard more than either closed or open guard. A lot of them are even pretty good at it defensively, they''ll basically stall you there until you get bored enough to agree to stand up again. Very few will try to sweep you from it though. The reason for this is probably that the half-guard is pretty common in judo as a way of "breaking" a ground hold (ie toketa after osae komi has been called).

    Judokas who cross train will do whatever they've been trained to do in their BJJ class ...
     
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    Q mystic Silver Belt

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    I used closed gaurd/pull in tight in hopes of restart or wasting time.
     
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    Zankou Bringing peace and love Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    How laughable? Most judoka I've seen tend to have one or two passes that they attempt extremely aggressively and powerfully. They tend to be much more one-dimensional than BJJers when it comes to passing guard, but you can bet they will have at least one heavy and aggressive cross knee pass or some such. And they are very good at pinning.
     
  11. judogido

    judogido Aussie!, Aussie!, Aussie! ...

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    I like closed guard defensively, then proceed to open guard to attack. The only thing I'll avoid is to be too passive and to stall in closed guard, but sometimes it turns out that way if the opponent is good at guard passing.
     
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    i am a judoka and yes i play open and closed guard with the occasional half guard just to expand my knowledge. closed guard is where its at in competition. i like my armbars so i use alot of open guard as well.
    hands up judoka who use rubber guard hahaha
     
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    IChinaManI Green Belt

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    ^I did for a while, but then my knee cracked, and it wasn't the same evr since hahaah
     
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    i'll use what ever guard i think will be better, open if i want to go for subs, closed if for sweeps.

    btw in a lot of judo comps, the ones that don't allow a lot of "newaza" getting closed guard for a short time will get you a stand up
     
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    judokas are best a pinning
     
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    I think he means in the sense that while a judoka may have a aggressive go to guard pass, there is no reason for that to negate a good open guard when in BJJ where passing the guard is a much more trained, needed, and sought after skill (logically making you're avg BJJer better at it then your avg Judoka) the open guard is still used often
     
  17. Deloitte

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    Scott, very very impressive analysis. You hit it dead on, laughable in the sense open guard is practically the heart of BJJ and a skill many experienced BJJers practice almost every day. This is compared to a Judoka who may have explosive guard passes because of their limited time allowed to work on the ground (Valid point), vs a BJJer who is CONSTANTLY defending the guard pass for the whole match. Very laughable to negate opening your guard just because he's a Judoka.
     
  18. Noskill

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    Yeah, except the post you quoted was from a judoka who was talking about getting passed by an other judoka, in a judo match. No need for your BJJ ego to feel threatened.

    Unbunch your panties, sir.
     
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    I Swear i was rolling with when that happened ..but it prob happened more then once eh ?? hows the shoulder still sore ?
     
  20. Deloitte

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    What the fuck are you talking about? Please clarify.
     

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