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  1. Tasar Yellow Belt

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    Ali. Cassius Clay was his name.
    Imagine he said early in his career "naaw. Ain't gonna fight Liston". Ima wait til Patterson is champ again. And old.
    Later: "Foreman? You crazy, bro? Ain't gonna fight that monster. Look what he did to Frazier.?"
    "Earnie Shavers? Dude can punch like a horse. Naaw bro. Let's wait til he past his prime."

    Ali fought in the best era of heavyweight boxing. And he faced everybody. Jerry Quarry, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Ken Norton, Cleveland Williams, Earnie Shavers, a young Leon Spinks, Chuvalo. He fought killers. And the biggest killers he fought 3 times.
    He wasn't one of them "Ima give 45 year old Floyd Patterson his well deserved title defense".
    He said line them up.

    #ImaUFCchumpLet'sseewhichbumImafightinmyfirsttitleDefence.
     
  2. blazerkor Purple Belt

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    Who said that Woodley doesn't plan on fighting the best? Nick is an all time great. If he beats Nick and then beats Wonderboy, the Nick Diaz win will be looked at as the better win. So your hindsight theory is very flawed. These guys aren't waiting around, they are fighting all time greats while they can, knowing that the young up and comers will be there after they beat the hall of famers. That is the way to become a legend.
     
  3. wookie brawl Brown Belt

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    Ali was a charismatic once in a lifetime athlete.
    Woodley is an ok wrestler with ko power & had 3 lines in some movie.
    One is an all time legend & the other will be forgotten in 5 years time.
    Woodley is making the right decision-make that money now while he holds the belt.
     
  4. machidafan99 Silver Belt

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  5. SeattleFightFan Steel Belt

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    pretty unfortunate that Zuffa created a pay structure that is heavy on re-negotiation, eh?

    it's almost like we all saw it coming 10 years ago or something.....

    look, when fighters with no negotiating power try to push their weight around, they get cut. but fighters who DO have negotiation power use it. which is hard to blame them for, considering Zuffa negotiates hard with them.

    a fighter would be stupid not to renegotiate when they get their (possibly only) chance.

    and it sucks that Zuffa created this model. be sure you place the blame where it belongs, TS.
     
  6. MCS Ava Adore

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    Ali did the build-up in between fights and then backed it up. Legends are made in between fights since champs usually only fight 1-3 times a year, so what they do in the off-time is priceless. Woodley skips the off-time and calls out big draws with huge fan bases because he sees the belt as the tool to do so, when in reality merit alone seldom gives that kind of power. It's a bigger deal when someone goes on a long run.
     
  7. VB MMA Brown Belt

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    There's a reason Woodley doesn't want to Fight Thompson. He will most likely lose. That in itself is HIS mony-Fight. Fighting Diaz, who has come off of so many losses is just silly. He has never been a big draw in the UFC. Woodley is coming across as scared. A win over Thompson would push his career farther than Fighting Diaz could ever hope for.
     
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    ali didn't fight the top contender every fight.
     
  9. Roman-Dominic The Empire White Belt

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    nicks an altime great? with wins over who? Belts? Has he done anything impressive other then beat the old lawler??? The grand delusion of diaz fans is wild
     
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  11. Kafir-kun Fear is Freedom, Subjugation is Liberation Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Are you kidding? Diaz hasn't won a fight since 2011 and it was against a LW. I like Diaz and I think he's a great fighter who could have a chance against Woodley but Wonderboy has earned it and is ranked higher right now. I can't believe we're seriously discussing the possibility of Diaz jumping Wonderboy, its completely insane.
     
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    I can't blame Woodley for trying to cash in while he has a little leverage. It may not be how legends are made, but it's likely his best bet to make hay while the sun shines.
     
  13. Haj01 Silver Belt

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    They are made in a frying pan.
     
  14. Davemeddlehed There's no mercy in this dojo!

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    Nick is not an all time great. Maybe an all time great mma personality, but he's not a legendary fighter.
     
  15. 007 License to Kill

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    and he also lost to the top boxers of his time
     
  16. BigNuggetIce Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    Lol no. Beating Nick is not better than beating wonderboy. If Nick is an atg, it's because of his personality & character. He does not have the resume of an all time great. I can't believe you would even try to say beating Diaz means more than beating wonderboy. Lol at you sir. Lol at you.
     
  17. Davemeddlehed There's no mercy in this dojo!

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    He had like 18 months of "off time" between the title fight and his last fight lol
     
  18. blazerkor Purple Belt

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    Lol at me huh... well first of all you used that phrase so who is the joke here? Beating Nick, when you look back on it will be better than beating Wonderboy, that being said, they aren't mutually exclusive. Who knows how many more chances TWood gets to fight Nick but he will definitely get plenty of shots at fighting Wonderboy, so again, fighting Nick makes sense for his legacy and more importantly it makes TWood money and that is why these guys fight.
     
  19. blazerkor Purple Belt

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    It's about money and recognition. Beating Nick doesn't mean as much as beating Wonderboy does to some hardcore fans but Nick is a name known to the masses, so in terms of marketability post fight, Nick means more. In terms of getting paid for the fight Nick means more money. It's actually a no brainer and if the UFC is in the business of MMA they should make the fight too because in prize fighting you take the money when you can get it.
     
  20. myjohnson9 GOAT

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    Shocking. The guy who joined today doesn't know that Nick beat the #1 fighter in the world in Gomi
     

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